5 Replies Latest reply on Mar 19, 2012 9:39 PM by parsec

    Intel SSD 520 Series 120GB

    IraqiWarri0r

      Hi, I have DELL XPS 630i PC with Nvidia 650i SLI chipset. I purchased Intel SSD 520 120GB but it's running as SATA1 not SATA2. The HDD 500GB Samsung connects as SATA2 but not the SSD. In BIOS I don't have options to enable AHCI or anything. Does anyone has an answer on why I can't run SSD on SATA2?

       

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        • 1. Re: Intel SSD 520 Series 120GB
          parsec

          This is likely a difficult issue to deal with. The NVIDIA 600 series chipsets are about six years old, which is very old in PC years. There are several possibilities regarding the cause of the issue, that all involve the 650 chipset, which is the main problem. The 650i chipset may not be able to negotiate the SATA interface speed with the 520, due to a protocol issue for example, so it sets it to SATA I speed. The NVIDIA driver (I assume) is able to do that with the HDD, but perhaps the latest protocols are not understood. While you say you don't have AHCI as a SATA mode in the BIOS, being able to select "Command queuing" is a part of the AHCI spec, but whether or not you are getting full AHCI functionality, I don't know. Are there any other options beside the "DMA Mode" available?

           

          If you have Windows 7, you could try to load its native AHCI driver, msahci, which is a generic driver that works with many chipsets. But not being able to set the SATA mode to AHCI is a problem. In that same dialog box you posted for the properties of the NVIDIA controller, clicking the Driver tab and attempting to update the driver manually to msahci is the only method, if it even offers you msahci as a choice. What OS are you using? Have you ever used another SSD with your board?

           

          The NVIDIA chipsets tend to have issues with SSDs, and usually that is their SATA operating speed. All in one PC manufactures like Dell tend to be much less flexible in their BIOS options, are you using the latest BIOS update for your PC? Does their website's forum offer any help with this?

          • 2. Re: Intel SSD 520 Series 120GB
            IraqiWarri0r

            "Have you ever used another SSD with your board?" No this is my first SSD drive.

            "What OS are you using?" I'm using windows 7 professional 64bit

            "Are you using the latest BIOS update for your PC?" Yes I have got the latest BIOS update 1.0.13 DELL released.

            BIOS has no option other thank AUTO detect drive and RAID Config.

            Below I have uploaded a photo of the compatible hardware the NVIDIA nForce SATA controller offers and I have got the latest update for nForce. I'm not quite sure how to update the driver to msahci, I looked through Microsoft controller drivers but I wasnt sure on which is it is.

            It does look like that because the nForce controller isn’t identifying the speed of the drive it has defaulted it to SATA1.

             

            Compatible hardware Nvidia Controller.jpg

            • 3. Re: Intel SSD 520 Series 120GB
              parsec

              Ok, you've done everything correctly to attempt updating the chipset driver,  that is, chose "Browse my computer...", but alas, msahci was not  listed. If Windows thought it was compatible, it would have been  listed. I fooled around with un-checking the "Show compatible hardware"  that appears on the screen in your screenshot, and chose NVIDIA. It  listed two drivers that Windows 7 has for NVIDIA chipsets, "nForce3 250 Serial ATA controller" is one, the other a PATA driver, which you don't wan't. I assume you don't see those since you have other NVIDIA drivers installed, or the ones I saw are not compatible with your chipset.  I have no experience with NVIDIA SATA chipsets, so I can't predict what  the result would be if you load it, if you even could. For example, it might help with the  recognition of your 520 as supporting SATA II speeds, but might not  give you AHCI/RAID features, such as command queuing, that was shown in  your first post (really Native Command Queuing, or NCQ... I hope it  referred to that!) which is the main feature of an AHCI/RAID driver that  you want for best performance from a SSD. You'd need to uninstall the  NVIDIA drivers you've loaded before the others I found might be displayed. But again, I really don't know if they would work better for you, if they would work at all.

               

              A potential alternative for you would be getting a separate SATA II or SATA III interface card, that is used in a PCI-E slot on a mother board. Note I said PCI-E, not PCI slot, they are different. Does your board have a PCI-E slot? Any type/size will do, as in a second video card slot (not AGP!) that you don't use. The problem with these cards is, some mother boards won't let you set drives connected to them as boot/OS drives. Given your Dell board, it probably wouldn't, unless you could find an add-on card that guarantees it. Cards like this (SATA II, and cheap "SATA III" cards that are not really fully SATA III speed wise) can be had for $50 or less.

               

              I know you were hoping to breath new life into an older PC by adding a SSD, which is a good idea that does work, but the NVIDIA chipset (which they no longer make) ruined it for you, along with the restricted BIOS of all in one PCs like a Dell, sorry to say. I hope someone with a NVIDIA chipset board can give you some better advice. Also, if in the military store/PX (I may have no clue what I'm talking about here) or in your travels (if you're out of the US), you have the chance to get a new board, etc, for a new PC at a good price, I'd go for it.

               

              Regardless, if you're a veteran of Iraq or still serving there or elsewhere, Thank You for your service!

              • 4. Re: Intel SSD 520 Series 120GB
                Hamajangs

                A little late, but here you go. This is what worked for me for my 320 120gb SSD. I have a 750i SLI FTW board for reference. You still won't have AHCI but you should see a little bit better performance with these drivers. And now the SSD toolbox will work

                 

                In Windows 7 -
                right click My Computer>
                click on Manage>
                Device Manager >
                expand Storage Controllers  >
                right click NVIDIA nForce Serial ATA Controller >
                select Properties >
                click Driver tab >
                select update driver... >
                select Browse my computer for driver software >
                select Let me pick  from a list of device drivers on my computer >
                select Standard Dual  Channel PCI IDE Controller >
                select Next.
                restart your PC and the toolbox should work

                 

                http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.aspx?m=83621

                • 5. Re: Intel SSD 520 Series 120GB
                  parsec

                  That's good info, thanks for posting that for stuck Nvidia chipset users. The link to the Nvidia thread is useful too.

                   

                  I did notice an error in the thread about TRIM in RAID. It is true that SSDs that are part of a RAID volume/array (RAID 0, 1, 5, etc) will not receive the TRIM command. But, when the SATA mode is set to RAID, SSDs that are NOT part of a RAID volume, just single stand alone SSDs like most people use them, will receive the TRIM command. The RAID software that is the middle man between the Windows file system and the special way files are stored in a RAID volume, is not able to send the TRIM command to the RAID volume for whatever reason. A single SSD that is not part of a RAID volume has no need for the RAID software to translate the Windows file system view of a file into the actual RAID storage method, so the RAID software does nothing, and the Windows file system commands, including the TRIM command, get to the SSD normally. A single SSD on an Intel SATA controller in RAID mode is really operating in AHCI mode. You only lose TRIM if a SSD is part of a RAID volume.

                   

                  Another thought for you. Windows 7 has a built in RAID driver, as they do for AHCI mode, msahci. Windows 7, according to Microsoft, during an OS installation, will automatically load their RAID driver if you set the SATA mode in the BIOS to RAID, without loading any driver at all when that option appears during the installation. I've never done this, but Intel also states in some of their RAID documentation, that this is the case.

                   

                  My point is that AHCI is a subset of RAID, at least with Intel's RAID/AHCI driver, so you might be able to get AHCI capabilities like NCQ by using RAID mode. Will this work with your chipset? I don't know, I don't own a board with that chipset.

                   

                  I would not suggest that you change to RAID mode with your current OS installation, which will cause problems. If you had a "spare" (HA!) SSD, you could test this by trying to install Windows on it in RAID mode on your Nvidia chipset board, and see if it works. As I said, just an idea.