7 Replies Latest reply on Jul 8, 2011 7:36 PM by DuckieHo

    Trim question on Intel Z68 Smart Response Technology

    tangerine

      Hi, I just bought an 160GB X-25M and will buy a Z68 motherboard for my  new computer very soon. I was planning to use 20GB of SSD as a cache for  HDD, and install Windows 7 on the rest 140GB of SSD. Today when I was  reading reviews of Smart Response Technology, I found that the drives  must be set up in raid mode, thus TRIM was not supported anymore on the  cache. I am wondering whether TRIM is still supported on the 140GB  portion of the SSD. But none of the reviews mentioned this. Does anybody  know the answer? I don't care about TRIM on the 20GB cache, as long as  it makes the HDD faster, but I do care about TRIM on the 140GB os drive.  Thanks.

        • 1. Re: Trim question on Intel Z68 Smart Response Technology
          koitsu

          TRIM is a command submitted by the OS to the underlying disks.  Within the TRIM data management packet includes a list of LBAs that the SSD should consider "free" or "unused", allowing for the eventualy NAND flash page to be erased.  A simpler example: When an OS deletes a file or does operations that involve moving filesystem blocks around, assuming the OS supports TRIM (Windows 7 does), it will submit those LBAs to the disk to inform it "I'm no longer using these in a filesystem".  So simply put, if there's no data on that part of the SSD (read: your NTFS partition only spans the first 20GB of the SSD), then the OS, obviously, isn't going to do anything TRIM-related with the remaining 140GB on the drive.  Make sense?

           

          In your case, all you can do is rely on the internal SSD garbage collection mechanism to do the best it can.  I tend to recommend people use their SSDs in a JBOD fashion (read: no RAID) when using an OS that supports TRIM.

           

          If you leave 140GB of the SSD unused (with or without a partition), this does have advantages with regards to wear levelling.  But that's a completely separate topic and not what you originally asked.

          • 2. Re: Trim question on Intel Z68 Smart Response Technology
            mechbob

            The way most people would set this up ,is use the 160GB SSD for OS and programs and get a small 30GB SSD to Cashe for a 2TB drive which would be in RAID because no data is stored on the 30GB there is no need for trim , the 160GB drive would not be part of the RAID so it would Native get trim from the OS .The only benefit of this is to make the 2TB run faster.

            • 3. Re: Trim question on Intel Z68 Smart Response Technology

              "The way most people would set this up ,is use the 160GB SSD for OS and programs and get a small 30GB SSD to Cashe for a 2TB drive..."

              Interesting solution; however, most Z68 boards have only 2 SATA III controllers, and we have 3 drives here...2 SSD's and an 2TB HD. So how would you physically set this up? Thanks!

              • 4. Re: Trim question on Intel Z68 Smart Response Technology
                mechbob

                The Gigabyte  GA-Z68X-UD7-B3  ,  Has 4 SATA 3GB , and 4 SATA 6GB  Conectors , so that would be plenty of connectors to do what you are tring to do and still have a SATA for a DVD burner.

                • 5. Re: Trim question on Intel Z68 Smart Response Technology
                  mechbob

                  I am and have always been a intel fan , I'am just waiting for Intel to come out with a Extreme Z68 Board , but for nor the Gigabyte is the best board going.

                  • 6. Re: Trim question on Intel Z68 Smart Response Technology
                    lennium

                    I am about to set this up as my first bliuld using pretty much what you suggested on a GA-Z68X-UD3R-B3 Mobo but as you say there are 4 SATA 6GB connectors, two of these being Marvell GSATA 6GB. I was palnning on setting my OS on the Corsair Force Series 3 120GB SATA 3 and the cache a Corsair Force Series 3 60GB SATA 3. I will place the SSD's on the Intel SATA 3 connectors but am unsure if I should place the SATA 3 ITB HDD on the Marvell GSATA 6GB connectors or just leave it on one of the intel 3GB. Will The Marvell GSATA connector be the same as plugging the HDD into a Intel 6GB?

                    • 7. Re: Trim question on Intel Z68 Smart Response Technology
                      DuckieHo

                      For single disks, you generally get the best performance on the native controller.

                       

                      For HDDs, SATA 3Gb/s vs 6Gb/s does not matter... just have it on the native controller if possible for slightly lower latencie.  You can also disable the 3rd party controller and save 3s off boot time as well.