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  • 15. Re: Intel X25-M *G1* extremely high Disk Queue Length
    DuckieHo Community Member
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    jkjkjk wrote:

    Sigh... I'm just not willing to go through the pain of doing a totally fresh install.

     

    In years of owning many computers and many many parts this is definitely the one piece of computer hardware with the poorest $/value over time ratio. The idea of having to go through convoluted (for me, at least) refreshes like this, which won't even fix the underlying problems, simply because the technology is fundamentally faulty, is really unappealing to me.

     

    Rather than stick witha drive that's basically a high mainenance time bomb, I think I'd rather cut my losses and shell out for a decent 15,000 RPM HDD, or ask around to see if there are more reliable SSD makers out there.

     

    I do thank everyone for their help, as I know it's not forum posters' fault that this is bad technology - it's just incredibly frustrating that something so basically flawed was allowed on the market in the first place. And more importantly, that I lost $240 on it.

     

    Edit: Regarding SSD toolbox, I'd already run the various diagnostics on that and it reported all green.

     

    You don't need a fresh install.... an image, secure erase, and reimage should resolve the issue.  It is pretty easy with the free tool provided.

     

    SSD technology has vastly progressed since the original G1.  There is much more awareness and solutions for the known issues.

     

    Just so you know..... A recent 300GB 15K RPM HDD will costs $250-300 plus the cost of a $100 SAS controller (assuming you don't have one).  For all that, a 15KRPM HDD will still perform a magnitude slower in random performance.

  • 16. Re: Intel X25-M *G1* extremely high Disk Queue Length
    parsec Community Member
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    DuckieHo wrote:

     

    You don't need a fresh install.... an image, secure erase, and reimage should resolve the issue.  It is pretty easy with the free tool provided.

     

    SSD technology has vastly progressed since the original G1.  There is much more awareness and solutions for the known issues.

     

    Just so you know..... A recent 300GB 15K RPM HDD will costs $250-300 plus the cost of a $100 SAS controller (assuming you don't have one).  For all that, a 15KRPM HDD will still perform a magnitude slower in random performance.

     

    All excellent points and quite true.  But as we can see, some (many) people don't want to be bothered with fooling around with their PC's internals, any more than they want to change the oil in their car or worry about what kind of tires are on it.  Which is one of the reasons why Apple has become so successful.  To Apple users, a PC is a tool, not a toy.  In many cases, what is done with that tool is more toy-like, but they still don't want to play with their tool. Personally, I like it to be both.

  • 17. Re: Intel X25-M *G1* extremely high Disk Queue Length
    redux Community Member
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    jkjkjk, I'm not going to defend Intel's choice to not provide TRIM for G1 drives (I got "stung" for £1,200 for 2 X25E's) but there are things you can do to help yourself out.

     

    If you don't want to reinstall you could try this:

     

     

    • Get off that pciide controller and use the Intel controller.
    • Switch to AHCI mode
    • Align the drive (tricky but I think it can be done without a new installation).

     

     

    By doing those three things you will see a performance jump and they can be done without a new install. (Albeit you will need to change the registry to go to AHCI and install new drivers for the Intel controller).

     

    Next up you could use the PC Perspective trick to reduce degradation. Write a large single file (as close as possible to the free size space) and delete it.

     

    If you decide to image the drive you need to sort it out first. i.e. switch to AHCI, change to the Intel controller and align the drive. (The optimum configuration).

     

    By doing the above you should see an improvement that gets performance back to an acceptable level.

     

    To get optimum performance back and move forward with the right hardware configuration you need to secure erase and do a fresh install. Whilst this may be painful the optimum hardware configuration should go a long way to prevent degradation getting as bad as it currently is.

     

    Try to avoid benchmarking as that will only make things worse.

     

    HDD also requires maintenance and even if you defrag performance will drop over time. I haven't used HDD for some time, but I used to reinstall every 6 months or so to get performance back.

  • 18. Re: Intel X25-M *G1* extremely high Disk Queue Length
    DuckieHo Community Member
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    parsec wrote:

    All excellent points and quite true.  But as we can see, some (many) people don't want to be bothered with fooling around with their PC's internals, any more than they want to change the oil in their car or worry about what kind of tires are on it.  Which is one of the reasons why Apple has become so successful.  To Apple users, a PC is a tool, not a toy.  In many cases, what is done with that tool is more toy-like, but they still don't want to play with their tool. Personally, I like it to be both.

    I definitely agree..... SSDs are still on the cutting edge still though.  The G1 were really for early adopters of technology.  In 2-3 years, SSD will really become mainstream and will just work all the time without any thought.

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