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    TRIM under XP

    willemijns

      Hello,

       

      I have bought a X25-V and i'm under XP, how to activate TRIM ?

      what is his advantage ? i know TRIM is used by defaut on Windows7....

        • 2. Re: TRIM under XP

          Hello PeterUK,

           

          I have now "This tool is not supported on the selected drive" i really do not understand why... it is my

          SSD HD :-(

          • 3. Re: TRIM under XP
            DuckieHo

            What the motherboard and what driver are you using?

             

            For the SSD Optimizer to work in XP, you need:

            1) A 34nm G2 Intel SSD (you have)

            2) Firmware version 02HA or higher (should have)

            3) Microsoft AHCI or Intel Matrix Storage Manager drivers (I suspect this to the reason)

             

             

            http://download.intel.com/design/flash/nand/mainstream/Intel_SSD_Optimizer_White_Paper.pdf

            • 4. Re: TRIM under XP

              Hello,

               

              > Firmware version 02HA (should have)

               

              I have 02HD

               

              > Microsoft AHCI or Intel Matrix Storage Manager drivers (I suspect this to the reason)

               

              My SATA controller are NVIDIA MCP51 so IMSM are not compatible...

               

              TIP ! I have found the solution on a competitor community forum

               

              The second tweak is changing the Nvidia driver to the Microsoft one. Go  to Device Manager -> IDE ATA/ATAPI controllers. You should see the  device 'NVIDIA nForce Serial ATA Controller', or maybe a few of them  depending on how many devices you have installed. Go to properties on  each one and for every ****** drive, do the following. Go to Driver  -> Update Driver -> 'Install from a specific list or location  (Advanced)' -> 'Don't search. I will choose the driver to install.'  Select 'Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE Controller' and click 'Next'.  Click 'Finish' and reboot.

              This tweak is a must for anyone with an Nforce chipset as it gives a great boost in the reads and a small increase in writes.

               

              So now it works ! i will answer shortly to give you comparison speed...

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              • 5. Re: TRIM under XP
                willemijns

                The speed is in all case better than with NVDIA drivers...i hasn't seen big differences between TRIM ON and TRIM OFF...

                 

                in all cases HTH

                • 6. Re: TRIM under XP
                  DuckieHo

                  You won't see any differences with TRIM enabled/disabled until you make the SSD "dirty".

                   

                   

                  You need to pound the SSD with massive numbers of random writes then run some write benchmarks.  This simulates months of disk usage and creates dirty blocks.  TRIM is to help prevent dirty blocks.

                   

                  Note, that massive number of random writes will reduce the lifespan of the SSD.

                  • 7. Re: TRIM under XP
                    parsec

                    Ok folks, you're losing me here.  The original post asked how to "activate TRIM" in Windows XP.

                     

                    It could be assumed from the replies that it is possible to activate TRIM in XP.  Is that not false?

                     

                    Of course one can manually run TRIMs with the Toolbox, and that's just fine, but I don't consider that "activating" TRIM, as in enabling the OS to send a TRIM command.  Since when can that be done in XP?

                     

                    Also, DuckieHo, aren't you saying that for TRIM to work the SSDs firmware should be at least 02HA, and could also be 02HD?

                     

                    Message was edited by: parsec

                     

                    Message was edited by: parsec

                    • 8. Re: TRIM under XP

                      hello,

                       

                      if i well understood, TRIM permit to keep a list of "HD bad sectors" ? i will open a new thread

                      • 9. Re: TRIM under XP
                        parsec

                        You are correct, if you meant that TRIM provides the LBAs of deleted files, not necessarily "bad sectors".  Since HDDs and SSDs work differently internally, SSDs need to be informed which files are no longer valid (deleted/obsolete) so those blocks can be made available again by being reset to the SSDs notion of empty/available.  HDDs do not need that information, thus no need for an OS to send it.  The TRIM command was created to pass that information to SSDs.  Windows 7 was the first OS to send TRIM commands to SSDs, and now a few others do too.

                         

                        Windows XP has not been updated to send TRIM, and neither has Vista AFAIK.  The Intel SSD Toolbox was created to send TRIM commands to their SSDs when that function is invoked from the Toolbox.  The Toolbox does not "turn on" or activate TRIM within an OS, an OS is either TRIM capable or it isn't.  I suppose it would be possible for a Windows Update or Service Pack installation to add the TRIM capability to their OSs, but that has not happened and may not be possible for some reason.

                        • 10. Re: TRIM under XP
                          DuckieHo

                          parsec wrote:

                           

                          Ok folks, you're losing me here.  The original post asked how to "activate TRIM" in Windows XP.

                           

                          It could be assumed from the replies that it is possible to activate TRIM in XP.  Is that not false?

                           

                          Of course one can manually run TRIMs with the Toolbox, and that's just fine, but I don't consider that "activating" TRIM, as in enabling the OS to send a TRIM command.  Since when can that be done in XP?

                           

                          Also, DuckieHo, aren't you saying that for TRIM to work the SSDs firmware should be at least 02HA, and could also be 02HD?

                          For clearity's sake, XP does not support TRIM but the Toolbox's feature replicated the functionality of cleaning the SSD.  I took OP as "How do I clean my SSD" implicitly.

                           

                           

                          Yes, I meant to say at least 02HA.

                          • 11. Re: TRIM under XP
                            parsec

                            Thanks Duckie, that's fine, I understand.

                             

                            I simply wanted the facts to be clear, and IMO the discussion as it was written might lead someone to believe that XP could send the TRIM command.

                             

                            Forums are a great thing but they also can easily contain inaccurate or partially accurate information.  A few words added or excluded can make a big difference in ones comprehension.  This forum also has a large amount of non-native English speaking people reading it, so it is very important to write concisely and correctly.

                            • 12. Re: TRIM under XP
                              labtec

                              I'm also having problems using trim. I know XP won't auto trim so I'll be happy using trim through the Toolbox but currently it won't run on my X25-M. You

                              mentioned that one of the requirements was: 3) Microsoft AHCI or Intel Matrix Storage Manager drivers. My system won't boot with AHCI enabled in the bios. Will these the msahci or Intel drivers work on XP?

                              Here’s my system:

                               

                               

                              XP Pro SP2

                              Gigabyte GA790FXTA-UD5

                              SB750 Southbridge

                              8 GB Corsiar 1333 DDR III

                              AMD Phenom II X4 965

                              Intel X25-M G2 w/Firmware version 02HA

                              ATI Radon HD 5700

                              • 13. Re: TRIM under XP
                                parsec

                                Your SB750 is an AMD product, and the Intel drivers will not work with it, for more reasons than it's not made by Intel.  So you can forget the Intel drivers.

                                 

                                Have you visited AMD's web site and checked into what they have?  I'm not an AMD user right now, so I can't supply any more advice than that.  I would be surprised if AMD did not have an AHCI driver for at least some of their chipsets.

                                 

                                As for msahci (from Windows 7) working on XP, I doubt it, but I am not certain.  I've never heard that it does, and I think it would be common knowledge by now in SSD-land if it did.  But I sure don't know everything.

                                 

                                BTW, I just read that the SB750 supports AHCI, so check AMD's web site, the SB750 was AMD's best southbridge in 2008, so you should be able to find some AHCI drivers for it on AMD's web site, or what about your mother board manufactures web site?

                                • 14. Re: TRIM under XP

                                  haye you used this ?

                                   

                                  TIP ! I have found the solution on a competitor community forum

                                   

                                  The  second tweak is changing the Nvidia driver to the Microsoft one. Go  to  Device Manager -> IDE ATA/ATAPI controllers. You should see the   device 'NVIDIA nForce Serial ATA Controller', or maybe a few of them   depending on how many devices you have installed. Go to properties on   each one and for every ****** drive, do the following. Go to Driver   -> Update Driver -> 'Install from a specific list or location   (Advanced)' -> 'Don't search. I will choose the driver to install.'   Select 'Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE Controller' and click 'Next'.   Click 'Finish' and reboot.

                                  This tweak is a must for anyone with an Nforce chipset as it gives a great boost in the reads and a small increase in writes.

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