what size / type of power supply are you using?
95 watt processor
60 watt video card
3x 25 watt HDD
~100 w (you didn;t say what mother board)
275W plus any other devices you may have attached.
Most power supply are ~ 75% effecent
366W PS loading
plus ~ 50 % margin to reduce heat and failure
min power suppy ~ 500 W
Better power supply ~ 750W
You need to check your system tempature.
Tools like CPUID's HWmonitor http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/hwmonitor.html can give you a very good idea .of what is happening inside the box.
Ideally (all rule of thumb estimates here) your CPU temp should run 35C to 65c (maybe 70) High than this and you need beter CPU cooling
If you have a temp sensor on the mother board, it shoud stay in the 25 to 45 range or you need more fans (or you have the system in a closet cooking it)
One word -- Surge suppressor or UPS (guess that is more than one word.)
That shoud about do it for what to check on your current system.... Part 2 - The ideal 3d animation and visual effects' system
OK , I am biased. I work on Servers and workstations.
The differences between a workstation and a desktop board is the difference between a Semi and a Pick-up truck!
You can haul dirt in both, but which do you use to really get the mountain moving job done?
I am running 2 Xeon X5680 8 core processors hyperthreaded.
8G of Ram in this box (expandable to 192G of RAM!!! )
NVIDIA 9800GTX+ (old card I had in my last system but preforms well)
The only time this system have ever been less than instantaneous is converting drawing to a full 3D walk thru cad model for a house I am building.
It took 6 seconds...
So the questions comes down to "Do you need a Semi or is the 1/2 ton 4x4 your using doing the job?"
This system is not for the average home user.
The power supply may be the problem. I'll find out the size tomorrow. I think it may be only 300watts. Thanks for the analysis and I'll keep you updated.
Here's what I came up with working with Coastline Micro, one of Intel's Premier partners:
4-SGT SATAII ENT 500GB ST3500320NS/ST3500514NS
2-Xeon W5590 3.33MHz
I'l use my Quadro FX1800 graphics board
The Chassis is Intel's SC5650DPNA 600w P/S Tower, but a friend who does 3d animation runs two Xeons (I didn't know this) and said that the 600w supply, when under heavy load, will reboot. He suggests 1000 watts. Intel doesn't make a chassis with this much power. What do you think about the setup and about the power supply?
I'm somewhat new to 3d animation -- actually I'm retired and this is my hobby. When I built my last machine, I posted this question on the Autodesk forum and got some advice without knowing how much computational intensity I would be needing. So about a year ago, I went with a desktop instead of workstation/server because it was considerably cheaper. My mistake. Having your input pretty well mirrors what I was told before, but had to learn the hard way. I want to thank you for your advice, and am appreciative for having Intel's help.
The SC5650WS chassis comes with a 1000W power supply, (WS stands for Workstation. Same chassis you have listed but with a larger power supply as most folks running this hardware add a killer video card plus....)
or the SC5650SCWSR which is chassis with the S5520SCR board installed. http://www.intel.com/Assets/PDF/prodbrief/320935.pdf
You need to add processors and processor heatsinks (lot of folks forget to order the heatsinks)
memory, HDD DVD, video card , etc.
(notice I highlighted the R? The R indicates it will support Westmere. The older board without the R would also, but the board will not boot with a westmere installed until you update the BIOS and you can't update the BIOS until you get it to boot. (catch 22) If you have access to a nehielem to boot up and flash the older boards work fine and sometimes you can get great deals on them.).
In either case
On the processor front, check around on pricing. The 55xx family are nehelem processors which are very good. http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=41643&wapkw=(W5590)
Westmere processors are much (much) better, http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=47916&code=Intel%c2%ae+Xeon%c2%ae+Processor+X5680+(12M+Cache%2c+3.33+GHz%2c+6.40+GT%2fs+Intel%c2%ae+QPI)
The nehelem you listed is a 4 core processor. The westmere is a 6 core or a total of 8 CPU's vs 12 CPUs
Personally, i would go with a slower westmere than the faster Neihlem if your balancing the cost.Top end in ether is spendy
Did some searching and supprizing the top end cost is about the same for Westmere or Nehielem. .
Of course, if price is not an issue
Look for the new release westmeres due out after the first of the year, X5690 6 core - 12m cache, 3.46.
Here are the components
- INTEL SC5650WS CHASSIS W/ 1000W FIXED P/S
- INTEL SC5650 6DRIVE HOT SWAP CANISTER MANF # AXX6DRV3GR
- INTEL SC5650 HOT SWAP BRACKET MANF # APPTHSDBKIT
- INTEL S5520SCR MOTHERBOARD
- 2-INTEL XEON W5590 3.33G 8MB 1333MHZ 4C L3 DDR3 MANF # BX80602W5590
- INTEL BXSTS100C THERMAL HEATSINK
- MEMORY 6GB KVR1333D3E9SK3/6GI
- 4-SGT SATAII ENT 500GB ST3500320NS/ST3500514NS
- LG GH22NS50B/ GH24NS50B DVDRW SATA BLACK
- NERO V126.96.36.199 SUITE3 OEM
- QUADRO FX1800 VIDEO BOARD 768MB GDDR3 (I've been using this and I don't think it has been the bottleneck). I'll see how it works. A good board will cost $1-3000. My workstation will cost about $4000, so I don't feel like another $3k at this time.
I got a very good price on the 5590s, so I'll go with them. Hopefully they'll do the job. This is going to be a RAID 10 with 4 500GB drives. As you can see there are 12GB RAM and heat sinks. I'll be getting the machine next Tuesday or Wednesday. I'll let you know how it works after I reload the apps.
- INTEL SC5650WS CHASSIS W/ 1000W FIXED P/S
I 'll look forward to hearing you rave!
Or maybe you can do a 3D animation of you working at the system to send
These systems are so fast, it is almost beyond belief, I am sure your going to be impressed.
I have one more question. The Quadro FX 1800 ( http://www.nvidia.com/content/HelpMeChoose/fx2/HelpMeChoose_quadro.asp?lang=en-us) is my current board and I was just planning to transfer it to the new Xeon machine. Do you think this will work or will it be a bottleneck?
I will start with the safe (but unexciting) answer. The Tested Hardware list http://serverconfigurator.intel.com/configure-ap.aspx?id=MzgyNSMxLDI1MTcjMSwzODE2IzIsMjUzMyMx&ShowNavigation=false
Safe because these all should work without issues. Unexciting because they don't relly test too many mid to high end cards.
(Sometimes strange things can happen. I have a last generation workstation (S5000) with a non-tested video card that works great, but will not do a restart in XP. You select restart and you get a blue screen. Shutdown and turn it back on and it works great.)
I would say give it a try and see if it meets your needs as is (since you already have it). It is a good card. (Better than the one I have in this S5520SC, but I know I am not working my system as hard as you will)
When you get up and running, you can try a bench mark test and see if the video is holding you back or even just opening Windows Task manager and checking the processor proformance while running a stressfull task will tell you a lot. If the system is sluglish, but the processors are not maxing out, then the video could be bottle necking.
I don't think you'll have any issues with the 1800.
Well, Doc, the dual Xeon is really reliable and pleasure to use. No more fatal crashes (knock on wood). I see some cases where the FX1800 bottlenecks a process, so my next purchase will probably be a bigger graphics board.
You've been so helpful, that I would like to ask you about another problem . If this is an imposition, please say so. I use an IOGear KVM switch to switch between 2 computers while using one monitor and one keyboard/mouse. The system is not very reliable as the mouse movement stutters and the keyboard sometimes skips letters and sometimes repeats them until I click the Escape key. IOGear tested a new mouse and keyboard with a new switch and it worked fine. They exchanged switches with me, but I still had the same problems. The reason that I bring this up with you is they said maybe the motherboard doesn't recognize the switch or mouse/keyboard. Could this be possible? I asked them to call me (or I them) to see if I possibly made a bad hookup, but so far they have refused, Can you recommend a KVM switch that you know is compatible with Intel motherboards? Do you know if IOGear's GCX1782 Dual Link DVI KVMP switch (which is the one I have) is fully compatible with your motherboards? The motherboard with the two Xeons is a SC5520SCR.
Trust you are having a good holiday season with a merry Christmas, and a happy New Year.
I have not heard of anyone using this switch.
I went out to Newegg's site and read a number of the reviews. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=17-399-033&SortField=0&SummaryType=0&Pagesize=10&PurchaseMark=&SelectedRating=&VideoOnlyMark=False&VendorMark=&IsFeedbackTab=true&Keywords=&Page=1
It should like USB speed and emulation leaves a bit to be desired in such a high end switch.
Disabling the emulation and using the front 2.0 USB port on the switch both sounded like good things to try.
From your description, I would guess something between your Keyboard / Mouse and the emulator in the switch don't play well.
The workstation would see a USB input device and load the appropriate driver. It is likely not seeing your mouse / keyboard, but what ever generic units the switch emulates.
Based on your propensity for nice hardware,, I doubt that you are using an inexpensive generic keyboard & mouse.
If you disable the mouse emulation (Num Lock plus - plus M (I think)) in the switch and connect the keyboard to the switches front 2.0 USB (I think it is just a straight through hub) It should take any switch emulation out. Your computer may rediscover the Input devices each time you switch which would take a couple seconds.
I make some check and see if I can find anyone using KVM's on the system.
Thanks for taking the time to look things over.
I disabled the emulation and put the wireless dongle in another USB port. Things seem to be working okay. The only thing is that I can't use the key strokes to switch between computers. But I can live with that for now. I see from Newegg's site that I'm not the only one having problems. When talking to IOGear, they seem to think things are aok. I sent an email to their parent company, ATEN, requesting help or possibly an exchange with their similar switch. Haven't hear back.
I have a decent mouse and keyboard. But IO Gear set up a new IOG wireless mouse/keyboard with a new KVM switch in their lab. They said everything was working okay and they gave it to me. However, it didn't work as it was supposed to.
I came in to type this as my team, Michigan State, is getting whalloped by Alabama.