9 Replies Latest reply on Sep 16, 2010 3:04 AM by Ozz

    x25-m slow read help

    bowler484

      I have a really weird one here that nobody on other forums has been able to help with.

       

      I have an Intel X25-m SSD.  It's on a gigabyte ga-p55a-ud3 using a core i7-860.

       

      I have a maximum read speed of 182mbs using HD tune.  I've been through the pio

      thing and have since moved the SSD to channel 4 and it's udma-6.  No change in

      speed.

       

      Here's comes the part nobody can figure out.  If I overclock the processor using

      either Gigabyte's Smart 6 utlility or manually overclock it, I will suddenly get much

      higher read speeds of 235mbs.

       

      If you have any thoughts on why this is, let me know.  I'd prefer to run my 860 at

      reference speeds for longevity.

        • 1. Re: x25-m slow read help
          Ozz

          is the SSD connected to the white or blue ports on your motherboard?

           

          which port exactly, as they actually have designators like SATA2_0, SATA2_1 etc

           

          are you running XP?


          PS. I have sent you a private message; I need your help too if you have a spare moment!

          • 2. Re: x25-m slow read help
            bowler484

            My SSD was plugged in to the O port at first and it was going to pio 4 mode.

             

            I switched to port 4 and now it reads ultra-dma 6 but speeds are still low unless

            I overclock.

             

            It's running windows 7 64 bit.

            • 3. Re: x25-m slow read help
              Ozz

              Okay, where are you determining PIO/UDMA modes from? From HDTune by chance?

               

              Secondly, are you using your Intel SATA controller in AHCI or IDE mode? it sounds like IDE from the above, unless you are using HDtune as mentioned.    

              • 4. Re: x25-m slow read help
                bowler484

                No, I check the mode through device manager.

                 

                ACHI is enabled.

                • 5. Re: x25-m slow read help
                  Ozz

                  Okay, just to check, youre using the blue ports on the board right?

                   

                  Here's your bios screen (or should look like)

                   

                  note your board has two SATA controllers (Intel = blue ports) and (Marvell = white ports)

                   

                  mobostorage.png


                  Confirming, you have the PCH SATA control mode (top one) set to AHCI?

                  • 6. Re: x25-m slow read help
                    bowler484

                    Yes, that option is set to achi in bios.  The gsata is also set to achi but

                    I don't use gsata because it will cut my PCI-e lanes to 8x for my GTX480.

                    • 7. Re: x25-m slow read help
                      Ozz

                      okay good. I take it the fact you can tell the DMA modes a sign that you are using the native microsoft AHCI driver? With Intel RST, it only shows the Intel ICHx AHCI Controller here.

                       

                      Have you confirmed your results with something like crystaldiskmark, or AS SSD benchmark?

                       

                      Generally with DMA modes falling back, to eventually PIO modes, it's because of errors. so things like drivers, physical cables, the drive itself needs to be checked. Have you taken any steps to confirm the drive is operating at optimum itself (e.g. checking it whilst it's hooked into another computer - partition alignment, confirming TRIMd (eg. try manually via toolbox), check the SMART values as reported by the toolbox).

                      • 8. Re: x25-m slow read help
                        bowler484

                        I've used crystaldiskmark to confirm the slower speed as well.

                         

                        But here's the thing.  Regardless of what port the SSD is on and what

                        mode it's in, one thing always remains the same.  And that is when I

                        overclock my processor, the speeds go up to what is considered

                        normal for an SSD.

                         

                        I was getting read speeds of 236mbs in pio mode 4 when overclocked.

                        I changed ports and in Udma-6, I get 236mbs overclocked.

                         

                        I go with stock settings and I get 185mbs reads whether it's pio 4 or

                        udma-6 as well.  It literally makes no sense to me because HD tune

                        or crystalmark are hardly using any processor power when running.

                         

                        Trim is working, alignment is fine.  All confirmed through Intels SSD

                        toolbox.

                        • 9. Re: x25-m slow read help
                          Ozz

                          tell me when did you first notice this? is it a completely new build? has it been running fine for ages and the issue just popped up one day?

                           

                          I just removed RST from a current machine i have on the bench (except its a 40GB X25-V) and I can see youre using the default MS AHCI driver as it reports what you are describing (except mine is in UDMA-6). The thing is, PIO mode 4 (the maximum for PIO) is so much slower than (your reported 180~MBs) that it's not funny, so that definitely doesnt make  sense.

                           

                          regarding overclocking, i would say something is being pushed past a specified frequency (not cpu - think of a more along the lines of a bus the SSD uses in the PCH?)

                           

                          It would be good if you could confirm the SSD on another machine (attached as non-boot device such that it doesn't boot from the SSD). all indications are that if you overclock and it increases the read speeds, that the ssd is fine and you need to look more closely at the rest of the system. so unless this is easy to do, i wouldn't worry too much.

                           

                          Have you considered some pretty drastic testing?

                           

                          Here is what I would do:

                           

                          - Reset CMOS on your motherboard. Power off at the wall and close the CMOS jumper for a minute. Reset to optimised defaults, configure your normal settings (e.g Intel PCH SATA mode to AHCI, etc.) - personally, i disconnect my drives during this stage and connect up after complete

                           

                          - Swap out the SATA cable if you haven't already

                           

                          - Test again. If the same, continue:

                           

                          - Use the back up feature of windows 7 to image your SSD. I have used this and have to say it is excellent - restored perfectly, partition aligned, etc.

                           

                          You could backup your SSD drive via the imaging utility to an external drive. Nuke your SSD, and reinstall win7. you need only install some basic drivers like chipset, etc. to re-test the storage performance. (personally, after installing chipset & NIC drivers, i run windows update then proceed with things like RST/storage, video drivers etc.)

                           

                          - if same results, you know it's not your filesystem/OS/drivers. You can then nuke the SSD agian, use the restore feature to write the image back to the SSD. you will be back where you started, but will have done a pretty valuable test IMO.

                           

                           

                          my logic is pretty out of whack as i've had an inner ear issue, leaving me dizzy as hell for the last 48 hours, so admittedly even i've gone arseabout in steps i would have done.