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    Bootable VROC RAID of 3rd pary M2 SSDs on x299 MB/ i9-7980XE set up and key options

    IntelBu1ld3r

      I have carefully read threads on the VROC on x299 topic but am still struggling with the answers to these questions and am hoping you can help me:

       

      I want build a  system with a bootable VROC RAID 0 of 2 Samsung SM961(M.2) on the Asus Rampage VI Extreme X299 MB with an i9-7980XE CPU. (MB have a VROC key slot.) I want to run windows 10 64 bit pro.

      Is this possible?

      If so what key do I need? I understand there are three different keys:

      VROCISSDMOD (intel SSDs only so I assume no)

      VROCSTANMOD raid 0,1,10

      VROCPREMMOD raid 0,1,5,10

       

      Can I use a raid card, i.e. ASUS hyper M.2 x16  PCIe card with one of the 3 VROC keys above and create a bootable VROC RAID 0,1, 5,10 of 4  Samsung SM961 on the same MB configuration (Asus Rampage VI Extreme X299 MB with a i9-7980XE CPU).

       

      Thanks for your help!

       

      IntelBu1ld3r

        • 1. Re: Bootable VROC RAID of 3rd pary M2 SSDs on x299 MB/ i9-7980XE set up and key options
          Intel Corporation
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          Hello IntelBu1ld3r,

           

          Thank you for joining the Processors Community.

           

          Please let me review this matter, I will update the thread as soon as possible.

           

          Regards,

          Amy C.

          • 2. Re: Bootable VROC RAID of 3rd pary M2 SSDs on x299 MB/ i9-7980XE set up and key options
            IntelBu1ld3r

            Amy,

             

            Thank you for taking the time to help me! Looking forward to the answer.

             

            Best regards

             

            IntelBu1ld3r

            • 3. Re: Bootable VROC RAID of 3rd pary M2 SSDs on x299 MB/ i9-7980XE set up and key options
              Intel Corporation
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              IntelBu1ld3r, thank you for your patience.

               

              In general terms we can tell that the Intel® Chipset X299 does support Intel® VROC and the keys. Regarding your compatibility question, in this case the best answer should be provided by ASUS, they should be able to comment on the compatibility, availability and support for bootable VROC RAID 0 of 2 Samsung SM961(M.2) on the Asus Rampage VI Extreme X299 MB with an i9-7980XE CPU. For your key questions, what I can provide is the information stated on our FAQ, specifically the "What are the different Intel VROC SKUs?" section. Finally for your compatibility question for RAID card, our recommendation is to check directly with ASUS, all of this compatibility information should be provided by the computer manufacturer.

               

              Frequently Asked Questions about Intel® Virtual RAID on CPU (Intel® VROC): Frequently Asked Questions about Intel® Virtual RAID on CPU (Intel®... 

               

              You can find the contact information for ASUS here: https://icr-am.asus.com/webchat/icr.html?rootTreeId=AM.US.EN-US&treeId=AM.US.EN-US&tenantId=EN-US&_ga=2.101316098.203525… 

               

              The content on the above site is not controlled by Intel. This information is offered for your convenience and should not be viewed as an endorsement by Intel for the merchants or services offered there.

               

              Regards,

              Amy C.

              • 4. Re: Bootable VROC RAID of 3rd pary M2 SSDs on x299 MB/ i9-7980XE set up and key options
                IntelBu1ld3r

                Amy,

                 

                Ok.,so let me see if I get this right:

                 

                1) VROC with a key is not supported  on the x299 platform. Is this true? (not limited to Asus x299 MBs)

                 

                2) VROC without a key is supported on the X299 platform but ONLY pass pass through without RAID. Is this true? (not limited to Asus x299 MBs)

                 

                I have read that intel SSDs are treated differently and works better in VROC, so if I change to intel SSDs in above configuration and ask the same question will that change anything in your answer?

                 

                Say: I want to build a system with a bootable VROC RAID 0 of 2 Intel SSDs (e.g. pro 6000p or 600p) ( (M.2) on the Asus Rampage VI Extreme X299 MB with an i9-7980XE CPU. (MB have a VROC key slot.) I want to run windows 10 64 bit pro.

                Is this possible?

                If so what key do I need? I understand there are three different keys:

                VROCISSDMOD (intel SSDs only so I assume no)

                VROCSTANMOD raid 0,1,10

                VROCPREMMOD raid 0,1,5,10

                 

                I also want to have a storage raid (4k video editing) so if I use an:

                ASUS hyper M.2 x16  PCIe card with one of the 3 VROC keys above and create a non bootable VROC RAID 0,1, 5,10 of 4  inte SSDs (e.g. pro 6000p or 600p) on the same MB configuration (Asus Rampage VI Extreme X299 MB with a i9-7980XE CPU).

                 

                Best regards

                 

                IntelBu1ld3r

                • 5. Re: Bootable VROC RAID of 3rd pary M2 SSDs on x299 MB/ i9-7980XE set up and key options
                  Intel Corporation
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                  IntelBu1ld3r, in order to further assist you regarding your questions, I am going to move your Intel® Virtual RAID on CPU Community.

                   

                  Regards,

                  Amy C.

                  • 6. Re: Bootable VROC RAID of 3rd pary M2 SSDs on x299 MB/ i9-7980XE set up and key options
                    Intel Corporation
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                    Hello IntelBu1ld3r,

                     

                    Thank you for contacting the  Intel® Virtual RAID on CPU support

                     

                    In regards to your questions :

                     

                    1) Currently Intel® VROC on X299 only supports Intel SSD's and you will require the Intel® VROC Upgrade Module - Intel SSD only part # VROCISSDMOD

                     

                    2) Yes, if don't get the key for your system the system will work on pass through without RAID and limited funtionality

                     

                    3) Yes, you can build a system using the specifications that you mentioned, but you still will require the Intel® VROC Upgrade Module - Intel SSD only part # VROCSSDMOD

                     

                    4) Let me check on this questions to make sure that you will not find problems using a external raid a card.

                     

                    Please let me know if you have more questions

                    Regards
                    Luis H

                    • 7. Re: Bootable VROC RAID of 3rd pary M2 SSDs on x299 MB/ i9-7980XE set up and key options
                      IntelBu1ld3r

                      Great! Thanks for following up!

                       

                      What raid levels do the VROCISSDMOD key support (in above configuration with intel Pro 6000p or 600p SSDs on Asus Rampage VI Extreme X299 MB with a i9-7980XE CPU)? only 0?

                      Would be great to know about the raid card as well because I would like to run at least  Raid 10 (or 5 if possible). Thanks for following up.

                       

                      Best regards

                       

                      IntelBu1ld3r

                      • 8. Re: Bootable VROC RAID of 3rd pary M2 SSDs on x299 MB/ i9-7980XE set up and key options
                        birdman941

                        I think the correct number is VROCISSDMOD.

                        Someone forgot the letter "I"

                        • 9. Re: Bootable VROC RAID of 3rd pary M2 SSDs on x299 MB/ i9-7980XE set up and key options
                          Intel Corporation
                          This message was posted on behalf of Intel Corporation

                          Hello IntelBu1ld3r,

                          Using the VROC VROCISSDMOD key you will be able to setup RAID 0/1/5/10

                          I am still working on your RAID card question

                          Regards
                          Luis H

                          • 10. Re: Bootable VROC RAID of 3rd pary M2 SSDs on x299 MB/ i9-7980XE set up and key options
                            IntelBu1ld3r

                            Hello Luis,

                             

                            If I have the VROCPREMMOD would that work too or is VROCISSDMOD the only key that work with X299 (ASUS R6E) and intel SSDs (e.g. pro 4000p) on board?

                             

                            I am asking because VROCISSDMOD seams to be impossible to buy online except outside the USA. I can buy a  VROCPREMMOD here in the USA much more easily.

                             

                            The system I am building is in the $10K range so frankly, if the key cost is $20 or $200 is irrelevant.

                             

                            Best regards

                             

                            IntelBu1ld3r

                            • 11. Re: Bootable VROC RAID of 3rd pary M2 SSDs on x299 MB/ i9-7980XE set up and key options
                              Intel Corporation
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                              Hello IntelBu1ld3r,

                               

                              In regards to your question we recommend you getting the VROCISSDMOD key since every for key for VROC has it own purpose and the VROCISSDMOD is the required key for X299 motherboard setups.

                               

                              Were can I obtain the key?

                               

                              We always recommend getting the key from your motherboard OEM, however if your manufacturer refuses to provide you with the key you can purchased the key from 1 of our authorize reseller since it has recently become available.

                               

                              Mouser Electronics

                               

                              https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Intel/VROCISSDMOD

                               

                              Best regards
                              Luis H

                              • 12. Re: Bootable VROC RAID of 3rd pary M2 SSDs on x299 MB/ i9-7980XE set up and key options
                                IntelBu1ld3r

                                Hello Luis,

                                 

                                Great! Just ordered the VROCISSDMOD at Mouser Electronics. $8.96 is inexpensive.

                                 

                                Hopefully it will work for me.

                                 

                                I'll post in this thread when I have got my build up and running.

                                 

                                I stil would like to know if the raid card will work in this build. I believe it will...

                                 

                                Best regards

                                 

                                IntelBu1ld3r

                                • 13. Re: Bootable VROC RAID of 3rd pary M2 SSDs on x299 MB/ i9-7980XE set up and key options
                                  Intel Corporation
                                  This message was posted on behalf of Intel Corporation

                                  Hello IntelBu1ld3r,

                                   

                                  We are glad to hear that you were able to place the other for the key with no issues. In regards to your question about the external ASUS hyper M.2 x16  PCIe RAID card you should not find any issues, however if you encounter any problem please don't hesitate to contact us back and we will be more than glad to provide further assistance or information.

                                   

                                  Best regards
                                  Luis H

                                  • 14. Re: Bootable VROC RAID of 3rd pary M2 SSDs on x299 MB/ i9-7980XE set up and key options
                                    IntelBu1ld3r

                                    Luis,

                                     

                                    Thank you for your support! You have been very responsive and helpful to me in understanding VROC/X299.

                                     

                                    I believe I now understand how VROC is implemented on the X299 platform and that Intel by choice (not by technological limitations) fundamentally restricted VROC on X299 to Intel only SSDs as opposed to on the Xenon platform that allows 3rd party SSD (with the right key of course).

                                     

                                    Sitting here in the middle of my build project, I would like to offer this feedback to intel:

                                     

                                    By not stating clearly what VROC on X299 is and is not in yours and your partners' VROC/X299 MB marketing material up front (for instance ASUS have been advertising VROC/X299 aggressively "hiding" the intel SSD restriction deep down in some foot note in a manual - but that is ASUS fault not Intel's), you are confusing the market, misleading the consumer (not every one ask VROC/key questions before they buy like I do, but trusts the marketing material), crippling the performance and value of the X299 platform. I can only assume it is to provide more differentiation and value for the Xeon platform.

                                     

                                    This would be a resonable and even acceptable (at least to me) approach if intel had a competitive VROC-able SSD product in terms of performance, redundancy, size at a resonable cost. The available VROC-able Intel SSD options are just not good enough to compete with the likes of Samsungs SM961, 960 Pro etc. (performance and size). As it is now, I just cannot bring myself to put several 6000p or 600p or any other VROC-able SSD product Intel offers in this system (the intel options are either fast or large but never both).

                                    I just cannot to do it.

                                    Instead I will likely use several SM960 Pro 2TB un-raided or in S/W raid configuration the best I can avoiding the VROC key option all together. I believe from the test I have seen this configuration will still perform (speed, redundancy, manageability) better than VROC with the available intel drives.

                                     

                                    This is disappointing and sad. Intel have created a phenomenal and super exciting platform with the X299 and the Intel i9-7980XE 18 core CPU! But by not allowing VROC to be used to its full potential you are crippling the CPU's and the platform's potential, disappointing enthusiast builders.

                                     

                                    As I wrote before, I do not mind buying any necessary key and spend a few hundred bucks for that if necessary to allow me to use the best SSDs available in the market - 3rd party or Intel. But I will not spend $2K-$4K more to go with a Xeon build instead.

                                     

                                    May I humbly suggest that Intel reconsider the VROC decision and allow a premium key (like VROCPREMMOD or what ever key) to enable VROC with 3rd party consumer SSDs on the X299.
                                    I really do think it will help your CPU, X299 sales, increase consumer enthusiasm and help Intel to compete with AMD's "VROC" (NVMe RAID) option.

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