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In a scenario for Docking Stations, should a Dock marked as TB3.0 be able to operate other interfaces, such as its additional USB3.1 ports and HDMI ports, if the Docking Station were connected to a host computer with only TB1.0?
Thunderbolt 3.0 is backwards compatible with thunderbolt 1.0 but in this case the components connected to the Docking Station will operate at 1.0, this will depend on the computer capacity.
Is it also correct to assume, that the Docking Station, could effectively serve as an upgrade to the Host Computer, as the USB3.1 Device ports will be using the TB1.0 Bandwidth, thus giving the Host Computer USB3.1 capability via the dock, when it only had USB3.0 on board?
The system will only work what the computer is capable of, in this case if the PC is TB1.0, this is what you’re going to get.
My understanding is that extra USB devices should operate at least at 3.0, but any extra TB3.0 peripheral devices will not operate at all.
Or could they operate at TB1.0?
Again they will operate only at the speed the PC can provide.
Would it also be possible to create a driver for TB1.0 to be able to operate a USB3.1 Hub? Has this been considered?
No, this has not been considered and there’s no notification about it.
Please bear in mind that if you plan to purchase or if you have an OEM system your best contact support is your OEM, since they may alter the feature and they are more familiar how all the components interact with each other.
Thank you for clearing that up Ivan.
I have one of the first Generation ASUS ROG notebooks that had a TB1 port, and I was just curious to see what the compatibility limitations would be with a docking station, and was going to attempt to build a USB3.1 Driver to make use of the TB port. I won't need to now that I know it's not going to work.
I can get on with my other troubleshooting for the Micro SD controller for the Intel Cherry Trail on a ASUS T100. It's got issues with SanDisk's SDXC since launch of Windows 10, and I was at a retail outlet yesterday and test and confirmed that the entire SanDisk SDXC range has issues from Boot.. it was partly embarrassing, but mostly funny, purchasing and refunding all the cards in 30 minutes
re: TB ports on 4th Gen CPU (i7- 4720HQ):
Not knowing much about TB ports except that currently the Intel website says that 8th gen CPU's will support the TB 3 protocol, my question relates to the 4th gen CPU's and the protocol of which TB port was supported (Tb 1, 2 or 3). I would assume just like today that different manufacturers supported TB ports, in contacting the manufacturer in question the data could not be provided as to the specifications of the TB port on a 4th gen CPU ASUS ROG G751JT-DB73 .
The tech assumed the generational gap of the TB port did not exist... my question is can Intel provide some clarification on the TB port specification for the 4th gen Intel i7- 4720HQ?
https://www.asus.com/us/ROG-Republic-Of-Gamers/ROG-G751JT/overview/ (product listing)
I made a mistake, I think the TBT ports on the G751 are Thunderbolt 2.
In my mind I just classified it as 1st Gen Mini Display, compared to 3rd Gen USB Type C.
The i7-4720HQ is the Haswell.
There's more info available for the Haswell chips than the Crystal Well, which is why I was having trouble.
Then there's also the factors of configurations that are disabled by ASUS.
Then there's also the difference of something like this
I vaguely remember at one stage the AU site was vastly different to the US and International site, which is a reason why I just never bothered going on to the internet and asking for help on forums. It was just easier to generalise to say ... well I know it's Thunderbolt, so it's Gen 1 at least
You'll notice the US models don't list the 4860HQ... which is probably why I'm the only one that's reported issues on the ROG boards.
The US/AU revisions must be significantly different, but there's very limited datasheets available, much like trying to find info for Crystal Well 4860HQ, plenty of Haswell info but not Crystal Well.
Some of the other reasons why I stopped coming online:
1) Microsoft remote techs were useless.
2) Even if someone posted some solution, if it was another user posting half baked workarounds, then it adds extra variables if they don't have everything done correctly, like on XDA
3) Everyone on the ROG forum is under the impression told that NVMe doesn't work / isn't supported..
Hoeever the Samsung 950 UBX includes the NVMe on chip.. which is probably why I've been able to use it since 2015.
Then assumptions are made that 960s will be compatible, however it no longer uses UBX.
So I've posted that I've had NVMe working, but it can be taken out of context both ways if people don't know.
4) The T100 Transformerbook forums were being told the T100 didn't support hibernation, yet I (T100HAN) have it fully functional.
(SanDisk MicroSDXC and the Intel Cherry Trail MicroSD Controller is another issue)
5) Everyone was being told they can't get an ISO for multiple edition Windows 10, yet I am working on a wim that has 4 editions.
6) Asking anything on the Microsoft community site is almost useless 99% of the time, and you rejoice when you receive a reply that doesn't bear resemblance to "run sfc /scannow", the exception is unless you get a reply from Andre da Costa, but he lives mostly in the MSDN section that not many people have access to.
7) depending on how you access the asus site, determines the redirection. its hard to know which region each model should use for reference, especially in the period where AU would use APAC and International.
8) Unless there's confirmation of what exactly should happen from one vendor, then there's no baseline to test from which makes fault finding difficult.
@jbnimble thanks for the reply.. I wouldn't have rechecked everything again.
Screenshot for TBT attached... you may want to check the US site though.
edit: it never clicked because Ive been using it as a display out for 3rd monitor
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