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    SSD: Poor Boot Times and Low WEI

    tosh9i

      I just got an Intel X-25V and I installed Windows 7 Ultimate on it.  It's currently taking up about 8GB. I've hardly installed any software other than the drivers and firefox.

       

      When I ran that Windows performance test, my score came out to be 5.9, which is due to the SSD.  I don't remember the numbers exactly, but I'll try to remember them:

       

      • RAM random access memory - 7.5

      • CPU central processing unit - 7.5

      • Hard disk - 5.9

      • General graphics performance on the desktop 7.4

      • 3D graphics capability - 7.4

       

      I haven't run any benchmarks.  I have done everything on this page except for RAMDisk.  I tried that, but it caused too many problems so I installed it.  Even though, I got the info from OCZ forum, it still applies to SSDs:

      http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/forum/showthread.php?63273-*-Windows-7-Ultimate-Tweaks-amp-Utilities-*

       

      So, I:

      installed the latest firmware

      bios and OS set to AHCI

      SSD is connected through SATA Port 1

      and lots of other tweaks that are found on the page above

       

      I used this software to determine my restart/boot time:

       

      http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/720-restart-time.html

       

      When I used it, the result was 48 seconds.  That number represents the restart time, which includes shutting down and starting up.  It took my computer 7 seconds to shutdown, which means it took about 41 seconds, give or take, to boot up.  I read about other people who said that it only takes their computer 12 seconds to boot up.  Others have said about 17, and a few even said 6 seconds.  One of the main purposes for me getting the SSD was so that I'd be able to boot up my computer within 15 seconds, like everyone else with SSDs.

       

      As for the WEI, I thought that was low because the Intel's SSD X-25V had low read and write speeds.  But others with the same SSD have reported getting scores around 7.7 and 7.8.

       

      Someone mentioned changing the driver to RST (post #9 and #10 on this page):

      http://communities.intel.com/thread/11286?tstart=0

       

      So, do you people have any suggestions as to how I can improve my SSD to be like yours, faster, speedier, more impressive, and hopefully, so I can get my money's worth.  So far, I fee like I got a "slightly" faster hard drive.

       

      This is my current setup:
      OS: Windows 7 Ultimate
      CPU: Intel Core i7 860
      MB: MSI P55 GD80
      RAM: Gskill 4 GB

      PSU: Corsair 650TX

      Case: Antec Sonata Elite
      Video: XFX 5770
      Sound: integrated
      HD: Samsung F2 500GB (storage)
      Samsung F3 1 TB (storage)
      Intel SSD X-25V (OS installed on SSD)

       

      Update: This one applies to Windows Vista, but he says that when he disabled his 7200 RPM drives and only used his SSD, that cut his boot time by 10 seconds.  Does the same apply to Windows 7?

      http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vistaperformance/thread/ea530723-c3fe-4817-9de1-68c7ac4799f9

       

      Update 2: Well, by upgrading the RST driver, I managed to increase the WEI of the hard drive (SSD) from 5.9 to 7.7. Now my WEI score is 7.4.  But I'm still not satisfied with the boot time.

        • 1. Re: SSD: Poor Boot Times and Low WEI
          ZXTT95

          The boot IS highly dependent on your hardware, their drivers, other software you have installed, the network and probably some other things.

           

          In my case, I just timed about 8s to shutdown, and once the Windows boot logo appeared, about 26s to the login screen, mid 30s to explorer probably working and about 51s until the network was working, as noted by the various gadgets that need network data updating.

           

          I have every chipset SATA port in use, the JMicron SATA controller active, a USB hub in my monitor, a GTX260, a network port with two switches between this machine and the router, nine gadgets, mouse software, printer SW, MS Essential anti-virus.  This all needs to be initialized.

           

          As for the disk thing, I'm not sure, but I expect that Windows has to enumerate every disk attached to the system before it continues from that particular phase.  It doesn't know which storage driver instance is going to come up with the boot drive, and there may be necessary things like paging files on other drives.

           

          If you want to find your lowest boot time, install Windows fresh with only your SSD, as much HW as possible disabled in the BIOS, only a mouse and keyboard attached via USB and see what you get.

          • 2. WA
            tosh9i

            Thanks for the info.  You're last suggestion about unplugging everything sounds tempting, but I just spent a couple of days getting everything in order, and that's after I installed the WIndows 7 three times due to prior problems.

             

            Damn, all those people/customer reviews misled me.  They all said that it took 17 seconds or so to boot up their computer, but they weren't talking about the moment you push the power button to the moment Windows 7 finishes loading all the programs and settles down.  Still, I guess it's partially my fault. I knew that the those first screens that appear had nothing to do with SSD, but I guess I just didn't want to admit it.  Just the thought of being able to boot up my computer from beginning (hit power button) to the very end (CPU settles down) within 17 seconds -sounded so tempting.  But there are other advantages to the SSD, it seems "slightly" faster, I guess I was just hoping for more.

            • 3. Re: SSD: Poor Boot Times and Low WEI
              freak77power

              HDDErase 3.3

              • 4. erase?
                tosh9i

                How is erasing my drive going to help?

                • 5. Re: erase?
                  parsec

                  If that post was not sarcasm, then it may refer to refreshing the space on your X25-V after files are deleted.  But don't use that program for that purpose, be sure to download the Intel SSD Toolbox, to optimize your OS settings for your SSD and keep it in it's best condition.  If you don't already use this, you really should although whether or not it will help with the boot or shutdown times is unknown to me.

                   

                  In my experience with three PCs with the OS on SSDs, their boot and shutdown times all vary by 10 to 15 seconds, and they all are pretty different in their components as in CPU, motherboard, and even OS.  Frankly, the fastest shutdown and going into sleep mode PC I have is the least fancy hardware-wise and is running Vista 32 bit!

                  • 6. Re: SSD: Poor Boot Times and Low WEI
                    parsec

                    A few other things to keep in mind when considering your boot-time results:

                     

                    Can we trust everything that is posted by random people on this or any topic?  Some may post incredible numbers simply to be the "number one" or king of whatever for the bragging rights.

                     

                    Given your overall WEI numbers, I'm guessing you have new, high performance hardware, perhaps an Intel Core i5 or i7 CPU?  From what I've read, in general, motherboards supporting those CPUs tend to boot slower than other CPU/motherboard combos, for reasons I don't understand, but that is the reality.

                     

                    It also looks like you have an above average graphics card, which also have their own BIOS that takes time to run, so that may be adding to the length of your boot time.

                     

                    Since you are using Win 7 Ultimate, that may take longer to load compared to other versions of Win 7, not to mention different OSs.

                     

                    The HDD you used previously for your boot drive may have been a particularly fast one, so you are accustomed to a fairly quick boot time.  Don't forget that relatively speaking, your SSD is not supposed to be an ultra-performance SSD, so comparisons with other people are not valid depending upon what their SSD and PC consists of.

                     

                    Then again, I found a review of your SSD and a few others, and yours did well in the boot time test.  The link below will take you directly to the boot test results page, but you may also check out the rest of the review if you like:

                     

                    http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/storage/display/intel-kingston-wd-ssd_10.html#sect0

                     

                     

                     

                    While Intel SSDs may not be the winner or best in every test, if you take the time to study many different reviews, I have found that Intel has tuned their SSDs to function better in the long run and when used in the real world and over the long haul, not just when new with a freshly loaded OS.  That is why I prefer them to other products.

                    • 7. Re: erase?
                      redux

                      As people have already pointed out, boot time is dependent on the hardware, drivers and services that get loaded not just the storage system.

                       

                      Your drive should however boot faster in a direct comparison with a HDD on the same system and it should be more or less instantly responsive when the desktop has first loaded…….unlike a HDD.

                      • 8. Re: erase?
                        parsec

                        To verify redux' statement regarding boot times of HDDs vs SSDs, we can check other articles on the website I provided the link to above.

                         

                        In their tests using PCMark Vantage, with it's Vista Start Up benchmark, the Intel X25-V SSD was reading at 218 MBs, while new HDDs tested with the same benchmark were reading at 1/10 that speed, the top HDD at about 23 MBs.

                         

                        I would characterized that difference as... extreme!

                        • 9. Re: SSD: Poor Boot Times and Low WEI
                          mechbob

                          Check your partition alignment, Paragon software has a great tool for doing this , When you install windows sometimes it does not do such a good job of aligning the partitions, they can be as much as 6-8 % OFF , Which can realy efect your performance.

                          • 10. Re: SSD: Poor Boot Times and Low WEI
                            redux

                            Windows 7 should automatically align the drive correctly on a fresh installation. If the OP’s storage WEI is now 7.7 the SSD is performing correctly. The boot time must be to do with services, drivers or hardware.

                             

                            Here are some tips to reduce boot time:

                             

                            Disable any hardware in the bios that is not being used.

                             

                            Unplug any USB drives not being used

                             

                            Run  “msconfig”

                             

                            Start Up Tab

                            Disable services that are not required.

                             

                            Boot Tab

                            Select the “Boot” tab. >Advanced Boot>Boot Advanced Options> Select the number of processors you have. (i.e. quad = 4) Select “Maximum Memory”

                             

                            Select No GUI boot (you will lose the boot splash screen but Windows will boot faster).

                             

                            You could also try out WinBootInfo, which will show you how long drivers etc take to load

                             

                            http://www.clockmod.com/index.php?/products/view/winbootinfo_1.0/

                            • 11. Re: SSD: Poor Boot Times and Low WEI
                              parsec

                              I've never tweaked the Win 7 Boot Options, so I tried it.

                               

                              In Boot->Advanced options, I checked Number of processors, and set the value to 4.  I have a Core i7-930, Hyper-Threading enabled.

                               

                              After rebooting, I noticed instead of my usual 8 "cores", 4 real, 4 Hyper-Thread, I had 4 "cores" total.  Whether or not I had 2 real and 2 HT, or 4 real and 0 HT, I am not sure, but I do know I had 4 total, instead of 8 as I usually have.


                              I could swear when I initially set the Number of processors, it only gave me a maximum value of 4, and when I went back in again to uncheck Number of processors (since I thought it was not working right), I noticed I could choose a maximum value of 8.  Regardless, setting it to 4 gave me the results I described above, and setting it to 8 gave me 8 after rebooting, so that seems to be the correct value for a quad-core processor with HT.

                               

                              I don't know if this is an idiosyncrasy of my mother board, or simply what Win 7 is intended to do.  So just keep an eye on this if you set it, to insure you get the overall results you want.  I would say that I did not notice a decrease in boot time after setting this option appropriately, but I use an SSD for the OS, and it boots quickly now.

                              • 12. Re: SSD: Poor Boot Times and Low WEI
                                mechbob

                                You can also try going into MSCONFG and turnoff any un-nessary start-up programs , or go into services and set programs from auto to auto-delay. That will improve the start up time.

                                • 13. Re: SSD: Poor Boot Times and Low WEI
                                  mechbob

                                  REDUX , I check two different OS installs with windows 7 64 bit and Both were off by 6-8% on the partitions , search on a post by James Walker and read the Link about Paragon software , this can correct the alignment even after the OS is installed . I did some benchmarks with this and using ATTO my SSD went from 235 read 105 write after alignment , it went up to 266 read and 115 write. It Does make a difference.

                                  • 14. Re: SSD: Poor Boot Times and Low WEI
                                    redux

                                    As with all tweaks your mileage may vary.

                                     

                                    When Win 7 boots on my system I can record around 53MB of read transfers. The read transfers consist almost exclusively of very small random reads.

                                     

                                    An Intel SSD can read random 4k files at around 20MBs at queue depth 1 with incredibly low access times. Compare random access times for HDD and it’s easy to see why SSD’s (should) boot much faster.

                                     

                                    The chart below shows the read transfer sizes I can monitor when I boot up. In total there were 2,772 read transfers. Less than 200 bytes = 920 read transfers. More than 200 bytes, but less than 400 bytes = 233 read transfers etc. Only 16 read transfers were above 1MB and the maximum was around 11MB.

                                     

                                    Once Windows has “loaded” to the desktop multiple small read transfers continue for some time (at least on my PC anyway). This is due to program, user and Windows files being loaded. I haven’t looked in to this too much yet but I suspect that real time AV plays a big part in this. Despite this however an SSD is responsive more or less immediately after the desktop first appears. With HDD it takes a while before the things become responsive.

                                     

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