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    Can Optane accelerate Secondary HDD?

    happyguy82

      Hello,

       

      I already have a Samsung 960 Pro NVMe Primary HDD so there's no point accelerating my boot drive.


      My secondary HDD is a mechanical WD Black 4TB that is currently being accelerated by a SATA SSD using Intel RST. I would like to change this so it is accelerated with the Optane module rather than the SATA SSD. My question is, can Optane be used to accelerate any drive or just the primary one? All the product info seems to suggest using it to speed up the primary boot drive only and I want to be sure before purchasing a module.

       

      Thanks in advance.

        • 1. Re: Can Optane accelerate Secondary HDD?
          Intel Corporation
          This message was posted on behalf of Intel Corporation

          Hello happyguy82,

          You're correct, Intel® Optane™ can only be used to accelerate one Windows® 10 SATA boot drive.

          Best regards,
          Carlos A.

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          • 2. Re: Can Optane accelerate Secondary HDD?
            happyguy82

            Thanks Carlos.

             

            Can 2 Optane memory sticks be used to accelerate 1 Primary Windows 10 SATA boot drive? For avoidance of doubt I'm referring to purchasing 2 x 32GB Optane accelerators and using both of them instead of just 1, to accelerate a single HDD.

             

            Thank you.

            • 3. Re: Can Optane accelerate Secondary HDD?
              Intel Corporation
              This message was posted on behalf of Intel Corporation

                  
              Hello happyguy82,

              Only one module is supported per system. A second may be installed, but will only serve as a small storage device (using Intel® Optane™ Memory as an SSD is possible but not supported).

              It may not sound like much, but thanks to the way that our caching algorithm works, one 16 GB module is usually plenty for most users. The 32 GB sticks are actually intended for "power users who often use a variety of data-intensive applications such as prosumers and gamers."

              We hope this helps. If you have any additional questions or concerns, feel free to let us know.

              Best regards,
              Carlos A.
               

              • 4. Re: Can Optane accelerate Secondary HDD?
                sdekooter

                Really in 2017 there is absolutely no place for a 70 euro boot drive enhancer because every enthusiast will already have a 500 GB SSD installed. However currently my 2 TB gaming disk would significantly benefit from Optane. I would purchase Optane just to speed up that gaming disk, as a 2 TB SSD is at least 700 dollars. Now you are telling us we can't use Optane on a drive of our choosing. Missed opportunity! This is a terrible oversight on the part of Intel.

                • 5. Re: Can Optane accelerate Secondary HDD?
                  aliquis

                  @sdekooter: It's hard to not feel like any software for Windows could had brought that functionality as "a hack" to Windows letting you mix any two drives you want any way you want. Or maybe it's harder with Windows because maybe one don't get as much control but at-least in say Linux or BSD instead.

                  • 6. Re: Can Optane accelerate Secondary HDD?
                    PaulT72

                    I have to say I feel mislead by your marketing material.

                     

                    I am currently building a new workstation for work.  I have already spent a great deal of money by purchasing an Intel i9-7940 CPU, Intel 480GB Optane 900p for my Boot/Apps drive and in addition an Intel Optane 32GB Module in order to speed up the three 10TB Western Digital Gold disks that are used to handle the data that I process.  Now I find out that it will only work with the boot/os drive and no other drive.

                     

                    Nowhere in your original FAQ document does it mention that this is the case.  In no review that I read when making my decisions did it mention this either.

                     

                    I have to say that I feel cheated.  Is there any way that my Optane module can be made to work with other hard disks other than the BOOT?  If there is not then I have to agree with the other posts, this is a very stupid oversight and a missed opportunity.  It basically means that there is no market for the module at all.  ALL potential customers will already have an SSD as their boot.

                     

                    I hope there is some way you can change this, if not then I have a useless 32GB Optane M.2 for sale if anyone wants one.

                    • 7. Re: Can Optane accelerate Secondary HDD?
                      PaulT72

                      p.s.  I would appreciate someone from Intel contact me privately regarding this.  My company builds high end workstations and if Optane could be used to cache mechanical hard disks it would be a very popular product for my customers.

                      • 8. Re: Can Optane accelerate Secondary HDD?
                        Intel Corporation
                        This message was posted on behalf of Intel Corporation

                        Hello PaulT72,

                        Thanks for your reply. Please check your private messages.

                        Best regards,
                        Eugenio F.

                        • 9. Re: Can Optane accelerate Secondary HDD?
                          RamboNTanga

                          I just went through the ver y same scenario... I bought a M.2 ssd for boot drive with a secondary storage. I expected that optane would speed up the games and apps installed on the secondary drive. Will there be an option to do this?

                          • 10. Re: Can Optane accelerate Secondary HDD?
                            Intel Corporation
                            This message was posted on behalf of Intel Corporation

                            Hello RamboNTanga,

                             

                            We don't know if Intel® Optane™ Memory will support secondary drives. However, the idea has been submitted to our business unit, so there's a possibility this will be added in the future.

                             

                            Best regards,
                            Eugenio F.

                            • 11. Re: Can Optane accelerate Secondary HDD?
                              RamboNTanga

                              Thanks for the response. I hope this happens... I actually think accelerating secondary drives would give a lot of flexibility to an already great product.

                              • 12. Re: Can Optane accelerate Secondary HDD?
                                AlexTuduran

                                Ok, I'm going to pop the question..

                                 

                                First, I have to say that just as some people mentioned already, I too feel very mislead by the product's presentation. This kind of deal-breaker information should be shouted loud and clear, so that buyers know this is a strong limitation and would not fit some of their imagined use-cases.

                                 

                                It seems that the only market for the product is represented by customers with old systems which only have an HDD as system drive and could benefit from accelerating it. But how likely is that these customers have a new 200+ chipset and an old configuration that misses at least one SATA SSD? As a boot drive.. Obviously not much. This use-case doesn't make much sense and it's probably very rare too.

                                 

                                However, following a simple, common sense logic, if a customer gets a z370 motherboard, it's most likely that he / she also gets an SSD as a system boot drive, possibly even an NVMe one. Also, a larger data HDD. Since accelerating SSDs would not make sense, there's only one real useful use-case where the Optance would make sense - accelerating the big slow HDD. And its exactly this use-case that is not supported. Without one reasonable "why".

                                 

                                Which brings us to the next logical, pertinent question: Why does a system boot HDD can be accelerated, but a non-boot one does not? I see absolutely no reason for which it could not. As far as I can imagine, this is a caching scenario. And now I have to learn that in this scenario, only HDDs containing certain type of data can be accelerated. As if missing the system files and system specific drive sections makes your HDD un-acceleratable. It makes absolutely no sense to me and to others as well, therefore I strongly demand an answer. It can be as technical as possible, as long as it delivers reasonable explanation.

                                 

                                If I missed the explanation somewhere in the documentation, please provide a pointer to that.

                                 

                                Thank you!

                                • 13. Re: Can Optane accelerate Secondary HDD?
                                  Intel Corporation
                                  This message was posted on behalf of Intel Corporation

                                  Hello AlexTuduran,
                                   
                                  We appreciate your interest in our products.
                                   
                                  What features and uses a product has in its release is based on marketing decisions. We can't provide technical details on that regard.
                                   
                                  However, we'll pass your feedback to our business unit as well.
                                   
                                  Best regards,
                                  Eugenio F.

                                  • 14. Re: Can Optane accelerate Secondary HDD?
                                    AlexTuduran

                                    Hi Eugenio,

                                     

                                    So I'll take it that although the "feature" is technically available on the released product, Intel deliberately hides it, although it's exactly what most of the users want and exactly what makes the most sense, if not the only that makes sense. And all of this due to marketing decisions.

                                     

                                    This isn't nice. I get it that Intel wants to gain some marketing advantage in future releases, but deliberately blocking functionality that is already there and especially functionality that makes sense to exist and no sense at all if it doesn't, only makes your clients feel cheated. However, if you're going to cheat, cheat with things that can't be verified or can't be thought of.

                                     

                                    And if you still decide to in-your-face-cheat and block intuitive features that have no explanation of not to exist, at least make the product's limitation clear to the customers beforehand.

                                     

                                    I really hope you come with a solution that can fix your customers' distrust and release a software package that can fix enable this already-there-marketing-rationale-hidden feature.

                                     

                                    All the best,

                                    Alexandru Tuduran

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