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    SSD Advice for NUC6i7KYK - Intel 600p or Samsung 950/960

    landgraf

      Looking for advice for SSD storage for my NUC6i7KYK.

      One important thing: I'm going to use it mostly for development, using virtual machines. Thus I will need lots of space.

      For the main drive I'm between these two models:

       

      Intel 600p 1TB

      or

      Any Samsung 950 PRO/960 PRO/950 EVO But with 512Gb

       

      Then an external regular SATA III SSD EVO 1Tb.

       

      The point here is price x performance x capacity. I know the Samsung is faster and makes use of all my NUC power (pice gen3 x4). Write/read speeds is in theory much higher than the Intel one.

      But, for less (or similar) price, I get double space (1Tb). Which means lots of my virtual machines can be in the main M.2 drive, instead of the external one.

       

      1. What would you recommend?

      2. Also, is the external SSD drive a good option? Will it perform good?

      3. What are the upgrade paths (for more space/performance) after my initial choices are made?

       

      Thanks a lot in advance!

        • 1. Re: SSD Advice for NUC6i7KYK - Intel 600p or Samsung 950/960
          N.Scott.Pearson

          The KY NUC has two M.2 sockets and both support the use of either NVMe and SATA III M.2 SSDs. Normally, my suggestion would be to use a super fast - but smaller - M.2 NVMe SSD as your system drive and a slower - but larger - NVMe or SATA III M.2 SSD for your data. Because you plan to do VM-based development work, however, you are going to need a larger-than-normal system drive - and most-definitely NVMe. Here is a list of the NVMe drives that I have investigated (though Amazon U.S. prices are likely out of date). I highlighted those 1TB and larger:

           

          Model

          Part Number

          Size (GB)

          Max Read (MB/s)

          Max Write (MB/s)

          Best Amazon Price

          Windows 7 Driver Provided

          Notes

          Samsung 960 PRO

          MZ-V6P512BW

          512

          3500

          2100

          340

          Yes

           

          MZ-V6E1T0BW

          1024

          3500

          2100

          630

          Yes

          Available 12/31/16 (preorder price)

          MZ-V6P2T0BW

          2048

          3500

          2100

          1300

          Yes

          Available 01/07/17 (preorder price)

          Samsung 950 PRO

          MZ-V5P256BW

          256

          2200

          900

          180

          Yes

           

          MZ-V5P512BW

          512

          2200

          900

          316

          Yes

           

          Samsung PM951

          MZVLV256HCHP

          256

          1000

          280

          120

          Yes

           

          MZVLV512HCJH

          512

          1050

          560

          193

          Yes

           

          Samsung SM951

          MZVPV256HDGL

          256

          2150

          1260

          150

          Yes

           

          MZVPV512HDGL

          512

          2150

          1550

          280

          Yes

           

          Toshiba XG3

          THNSN5256GPU7

          256

          1750

          871

          300

          Yes

           

          THNSN5512GPU7

          512

          1750

          871

          300

          Yes

           

          Toshiba OCZ RD400

          RVD400-M2280-256G

          256

          2600

          1150

          164

          Yes

           

          RVD400-M2280-512G

          512

          2600

          1600

          300

          Yes

           

          RVD400-M22280-1TB

          1024

          2600

          1550

          710

          Yes

           

          Kingston HyperX Predator

          SHPM2280P2/240G

          240

          1400

          600

          146

          No

           

          SHPM2280P2/480G

          480

          1400

          1000

          290

          No

           

          SHPM2280P2/960G

          960

          1359

          1000

          490

          No

           

          Intel 600p

          SSDPEKKW256G7X1

          256

          1570

          540

          108

          No

           

          SSDPEKKW512G7X1

          512

          1770

          560

          180

          No

           

          SSDPEKKW010T7X1

          1024

          1800

          560

          375

          No

           

          Intel Pro 6000p

          SSDPEKKF256G7X1

          256

          1570

          540

          127

          No

           

          SSDPEKKF512G7X1

          512

          1775

          540

          224

          No

           

          SSDPEKKF010T7X1

          1044

          1800

          560

          399

          No

           

          Intel E 6000p

          SSDPEKKR256G7XN

          256

          1570

          540

          ???

          No

           

          Plextor M8Pe[G]

          PX-256M8PeGN

          256

          2000

          900

          160

          No

           

          PX-256M8PeG

          256

          2000

          900

          195

          No

          With thermal radiator

          PX-512M8PeGN

          512

          2300

          1300

          225

          No

           

          PX-512M8PeG

          512

          2300

          1300

          299

          No

          With thermal radiator

          PX-1TM8PeGN

          1024

          2500

          1400

          512

          No

           

          PX-1TM8PeG

          1024

          2500

          1400

          665

          No

          With thermal radiator

           

          For your secondary storage, you have the second M.2 socket and could use either a NVMe or SATA III SSD, but are going to be somewhat restricted for size. Going external, where much larger drives are available (at least when looking at spinning media), SATA III SSDs with USB 3.0/3.1 interfaces are getting fairly close to the performance of internal SATA III SSDs and spinning media performance is not unreasonable. Whether you go with a SSD or spinning media will really depend upon the amount of secondary storage you want and your budget. Going with spinning media, you can look at drives 5TB and larger. Doing the same in SSDs is still terribly expensive.

           

          Hope this helps,

          ...S

          • 2. Re: SSD Advice for NUC6i7KYK - Intel 600p or Samsung 950/960
            landgraf

            Hi Scott, thanks a lot for your answer.

            I don't need that much space (5Tb). Currently my system has 2Tb of regular hard disks and I don't have future plans to require more space. I can squeeze those in 1.5 TB for now.

            Currently I have a SATA III 2.5" 850 EVO 1Tb that I could use as external drive. So my two possible setups are:

             

            Setup A

            Intel 600p 1Tb - Around $280 (got a good deal)

            External 850 EVO 1Tb

             

            Setup B

            Samsung Pro M.2 512 Mb - Around $320

            External 850 EVO 1Tb

             

            The advantage of Setup A is that I can squeeze more VM's into it, so in theory I will get more performance in much more VM's. I have extra 512 Mb in higher speed than the ones in the external SATA.

             

            The advantage of Setup B is that I have a faster drive for my core system, and NUC has hardware to support the data transfer rate. On the other hand, it's more expensive and some VM's will have to be moved to external drive, making it slower than Setup A.

             

            It's a matter of opinion, what's yours? :-)

            Eventually, will I be able to put a Samsung Pro M.2 512 MB + Intel 600p M2. 1Tb in the NUC? Do the both drives work ok?

            • 3. Re: SSD Advice for NUC6i7KYK - Intel 600p or Samsung 950/960
              N.Scott.Pearson

              Well, considering the price, I would go with Setup A. The 960 Pro drives are faster but at a significantly higher cost - and raw throughput isn't everything. The Intel drive should be fast enough for now.

               

              The 8 PCIe lanes that feed the two M.2 sockets are behind the PCH component. The DMI bus that connects the CPU to the PCH is essentially equivalent in throughput to 8 PCIe lanes. This means that, nothing else considered, there is enough throughput to run two NVMe SSDs at full speed. The problem is that there are all sorts of other interfaces - USB 2.0/3.0/3.1 ports, LAN, WLAN, etc. - that also rely on this same DMI throughput and thus there are going to be times when you are not going to have the throughput available to run two NVMe SSDs at full speed - but it should come close part of the time...

               

              ...S

              • 4. Re: SSD Advice for NUC6i7KYK - Intel 600p or Samsung 950/960
                lw1948

                There is an additional option to consider: Samsung 960 EVO 500 GB Cost 250$, performance similar to Samsung 960 PRO https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LYFKJR7?ref=emc_b_5_t&th=1

                 

                Leon

                • 5. Re: SSD Advice for NUC6i7KYK - Intel 600p or Samsung 950/960
                  landgraf

                  Thank you all. I think I'm going for the Intel 600p.

                  One question: "Window 7 driver: No" just means that it works on Windows 10 but not Windows 7, right?

                  • 6. Re: SSD Advice for NUC6i7KYK - Intel 600p or Samsung 950/960
                    N.Scott.Pearson

                    That is correct. There is a back-port of the Microsoft Windows 8.1/10 NVMe driver available on Microsoft's site but the path to using this is convoluted and not for the faint of heart. Unless you are intrepid and want to take this on yourself or someone can provide you with a working installation image, you probably want to consider Windows 7 as being not supported...

                    ...S

                    • 7. Re: SSD Advice for NUC6i7KYK - Intel 600p or Samsung 950/960
                      alinescoo

                      I still haven't decided if I should get the Skull Canyon or get something else, but I've finally decided what SSD to get, and that is Samsung 960 EVO. A bit more pricey but that money is transformed into performance.

                       

                      So, my suggestion to you is look at reviews, on important tech sites and then make a decision to see what fits your needs better.

                      • 8. Re: SSD Advice for NUC6i7KYK - Intel 600p or Samsung 950/960
                        davidfi01

                        I just installed:

                        Samsung 960 PRO

                        MZ-V6P512BW

                        512

                        3500

                        2100

                         

                        Using Win10 AU, with as many background apps shut down, I get 3250 seq read, 1900 seq write.  Not quite the full throughput claimed by Sammy.

                         

                        I am using several of the usb 3x ports and driving 3 monitors so some bandwidth is probably being consumed by those devices.

                         

                        D

                        • 9. Re: SSD Advice for NUC6i7KYK - Intel 600p or Samsung 950/960
                          N.Scott.Pearson

                          The numbers claimed by, um, "Sammy" are theoretical, not actual. I would have bet that the larger drive sizes would come closer to the mark, but, in a recent article by StorageReview.com (see here: Samsung 960 Pro M.2 NVMe SSD Review | StorageReview.com), they got 2223/1787 with the 2TB model. Your benchmark beat the pants off theirs...

                           

                          ...S

                          • 12. Re: SSD Advice for NUC6i7KYK - Intel 600p or Samsung 950/960
                            landgraf

                            Is the 960 EVO 1Tb compatible with the NUC? I don't see it in any compatibility list

                            • 13. Re: SSD Advice for NUC6i7KYK - Intel 600p or Samsung 950/960
                              Intel Corporation
                              This message was posted on behalf of Intel Corporation

                              I do not see the 960 EVO listed. I am afraid I do not have one around, maybe some other peers can help on this matter.
                              http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/boards-and-kits/000005701.html


                              Allan.

                              • 14. Re: SSD Advice for NUC6i7KYK - Intel 600p or Samsung 950/960
                                N.Scott.Pearson

                                The compatibility list maintained by the NUC team contains only those devices that have been received/procured and put through some level of testing. If a device is not included in this list, it does not mean the the device is incompatible; it may simply mean that the team has not received/procured a device for testing. Understand that this an ad-hoc effort; the team does not go out and procure devices specifically for the purpose of enhancing this list (that would be a horribly expensive and time-consuming effort; there are simply too many devices to consider).

                                 

                                Ok, all that said, I see no reason why the Samsung 960 EVO M.2 NVMe SSDs will not work and work well. 960 EVO is one of Samsung's value brands; lower cost, lower performance versions of their performance brand (in this case, 960 PRO).

                                 

                                Hope this helps,

                                ...S

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