14 Replies Latest reply on Apr 5, 2010 11:21 AM by Smal

    X25-M G2 - Raid Problem

    Smal

      Installed W7 64 bit on this new disk a week ago. It has firmware 02HA. I have a dual boot system with Vista x86 on Raid 0 and W7 64 bit on this SSD. When trying to run the toolbox it says "Raid Not Supported".

       

      I have nVidia Chipset 680i. In the Device Manager, under IDE/ATAPI Controllers, I have a Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE Controller and under Storage Controllers, I have 1 nVidia nForce RAID Controller och 3 nVidia nForce Serial ATA Controllers. Under Disk Drives the SSD reports itself as a "INTEL SS DSA2M160G2GC SCSI Disk Device".

       

      What shall I do, send the SSD back?

        • 1. Re: X25-M G2 - Raid Problem
          Fernando

          There is no reason to RMA the SSD.

          I suspect, that the active partition with the bootloader is still within the RAID0 array.

          The configuration should be the following:

          1. The SSD should be connected with the first of the available SATA ports (port0 or port1).
          2. Before you are going to install Windows 7, you should unplug all other hdd's.
          3. Once Win7 is up, you can reconnect the RAID'ed hdd's to the next SATA ports.
          4. After having done that, you probably have to repair the Vista bootloader.
          5. It is possible, that Windows 7 will not see your RAID partitions and data at once. You can repair this by opening the "IDE ATA/ATAPI Controllers" section of the Win7 Device Manager and replacing the listed "Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE Controllers", where the RAID'ed hdd's are connected, by the "NVIDIA nForce Serial ATA Controllers". Just do a right click onto them, use the "Update driver software" option and let the Device Manager show the compatible devices. Then choose the NVIDIA one.
          • 2. Re: X25-M G2 - Raid Problem
            Smal

            OK, thanks. I have some additional couple of questions to get this right. I disconnect my Raid disks (currently on 0 and 1) and install the SSD in port 0, move my DVD players from 2 and 3 to 4 and 5, right? Do you know if I have to go into the Raid setup to disable Raid first? Do I have to do that at all? Then I go into the BIOS and set SATA 0 to ON (currently RAID) and SATA 3 to RAID. Then I reboot. Do I have to make a clean install or can I do a start-up repair to fix the W7 bootloader? When w7 is up and running, I check if toolbox works. If it does, I shut down, reconnect Raid disks in port 1 and 2, set BIOS to RAID for them, reboot and check that the RAID setup looks fine. Then I have to fix the Vista bootloader, how do I do that?

            • 3. Re: X25-M G2 - Raid Problem
              Fernando

              @ Smal:

               

              1. If you can choose the individual mode of your SATA ports, you should do it as you have written.

              2. Don't do anything within the RAID ROM Utility. The RAID will be detected by the BIOS even after having changed the ports.

              3. I would do a clean reinstall of Windows 7 x64 after having changed the ports and unplugged the RAID'ed hdd's. Only this way you will get the separate boot partition with a size of 100MB (or more to put the pagefile of Windows 7 onto it), which is good for a dual boot configuration.

              4. You can fix the Vista bootloader either by booting off the Vista DVD and using the repair option or by running a tool like EasyBCD,

              5. You always have to make sure, that the SSD is in the first position of the "HARD DISK BOOT PRIORITY" BIOS settings.

               

              Good luck!

              Fernando

              • 4. Re: X25-M G2 - Raid Problem
                Smal

                Thanks, very helpful. It is probably safest to use EasyBCD as I have just an OEM original Vista disk and not SP2.

                • 5. Re: X25-M G2 - Raid Problem
                  Smal

                  How important is it actually to have the SSD in port 0?

                  If not necessary, I was thinking perhaps leaving the SSD where it is, just removing the Raid Disks and do a fresh install of W7. Then reconnect the Raid disks and remove W7 from the Vista bot record in System Configuration. I should then be able to choose OS by tipping F8 at start up to decide what disk to start from, rather to choose OS from bootloader screen. Is this a possible option? If so any problems with this?

                  How important is it actually to have the SSD in port 0?

                  If not necessary, I was thinking perhaps leaving the SSD where it is, just removing the Raid Disks and do a fresh install of W7. Then reconnect the Raid disks and remove W7 from the Vista boot record in System Configuration. I should then be able to choose OS by tipping F8 at start up to decide what disk to start from, rather to choose OS from bootloader screen. Is this a possible option? If so any problems with this?

                  • 6. Re: X25-M G2 - Raid Problem
                    Fernando

                    Smal schrieb:

                     

                    How important is it actually to have the SSD in port 0?

                    It may not be that important while working normally with the pc, but I think, that it would be a good idea nevertheless.

                    Reason: If you want to update the SSD firmware, the installer probably will not detect your SSD correctly, if it is connected with any higher numbered SATA port than port1. This is what a lot of Intel SSD owners reported.

                    Smal schrieb:

                     

                    I should then be able to choose OS by tipping F8 at start up to decide what disk to start from, rather to choose OS from bootloader screen. Is this a possible option? If so any problems with this?

                    As long as you leave the configuration as it is, you will not run into problems, but I personally would always prefer to have not more than 1 active partition (with 1 single boot sector) within the system.

                     

                    Regards

                    Fernando

                    • 7. Re: X25-M G2 - Raid Problem
                      Smal

                      I have done all the recommended: Moved my SSD to SATA port 0 and my Raid drives to ports 1 and 2. Reinstalled W7 onto the SSD with the Raid drives disconnected. SSD first disk in BIOS boot order. I should now have the boot record on the SSD. Then reconnected everything. After re-installing the toolbox, it still says "RAID not supported. What do I do now?

                      • 8. Re: X25-M G2 - Raid Problem
                        Einride

                        Nvidia chipsets allow indiviual ports to be programmed to be enabled or disabled for Raid use.  If a port is disabled for Raid, then it will not appear in the Raid bios screen, and should use the standard Nvidia SATA controller driver (or, optionally, the Microsoft AHCI driver)--which could fix your problem.  This is set up on a bios page called Integrated Peripherals. Start with OnChip IDE Device, then RAID Config, then change Serial-ATA 1 RAID (the port for your SSD) to "disabled".

                         

                        Making this change to an installed OS might cause Windows not to start, since the disk controller driver is a kernel-mode driver required for boot, and may not like the disruption.  If you get a blue screen for two successive restarts, it may be possible to finesse the problem by preinstalling the desired SATA driver.  To do this, set the port with your SSD back to enabled for Raid (so that Windows will start), connect another SATA disk to a port that you disable for Raid, and let Windows install the SATA controller for that disk.  Then disable the SSD port for Raid in the bios and, hopefully, the Windows will start and pick the correct SATA driver for the SSD.  Then remove the extra disk.  If this trick fails, the next step is to set the bios to disable Raid for the SSD, wipe the SSD, and reinstall Windows.

                         

                        The bios config info above comes from an nForce 4 motherboard, and may be different for your setup.

                        • 9. Re: X25-M G2 - Raid Problem
                          Smal

                          Thanks. From what I can see, the setup on my Dell XPS720 does not give me that many options. If I enter the Raid Bios I can see that my two raid disks are there nicely, but not my SSD. In the System Bios I only have 3 options for the disks On, Off and Raid. The SSD is On and the Raid disks are Raid. The SSD is said to have a SATA controller. My chipset is nVidia 680i, so it does not support AHCI. In Device Manager, the SSD recognizes itself as an "Intel SS DSA2M160G2GC SCSI Disk Device". Under IDE ATA/ATAPI Controllers, I have "ATA Channel 0", "ATA Channel 1" and "Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE Controller". Under Storage Controllers, I have one "NVIDIA nForce Raid Controller" and three "NVIDIA nForce SATA Controllers". It all looks OK to me, and I am quite clueless.

                          • 10. Re: X25-M G2 - Raid Problem
                            Einride

                            The problem of all disks being treated by the OS as Raid disks is also common to Intel motherboards.

                             

                            One way to get around this is to use the separate on-board two-channel Sata controller--non-nvidia--for either the SSD or the Raid array.

                             

                            A potentially better solution has recently been posted in this thread--

                            Will Toolbox work without AHCI?

                            Gives you a Sata 3.0 two-chnanel controller independent of the on-board controllers, and is inexpensive.  ASUS is bundling this add-in controller to some current motherboards and selling them as Sata 3.0 capable.

                            • 11. Re: X25-M G2 - Raid Problem
                              Smal

                              Controllers.JPG

                              Below is my first nForce SATA Controller. The other two are running my DVD players.

                               

                              SataCont.JPG

                              SataContChildren.JPG

                              It seems this controller is running both the SSD and the Raid array. I guess this is the problem. If it was possible to separate them...

                              Maybe I have to get a PCI card as suggested.

                              • 12. Re: X25-M G2 - Raid Problem
                                Smal

                                Today the SSD died. When trying to start, it gave me a BSOD and startup repair did not work, neither from disk nor DVD. Entered Vista (on the Raid disks) and it took forever to load and started with a one minute black screen until graphics driver loaded. Parity errors en masse in Device Manager. Removed the SSD and now Vista starts nicely.

                                 

                                So, what do you think, do I have a dead SSD on my hands? Any advice on next step?

                                • 13. Re: X25-M G2 - Raid Problem
                                  Smal

                                  Got it back up again with checkdisk from laptop. I wonder if this could have been related to the firmware? The disk was not visible from a DVD startup in the laptop, but checkdisk could be run.

                                  • 14. Re: X25-M G2 - Raid Problem
                                    Smal

                                    Thanks for the tip about the U2S6 card. My SSD died but I did not give up but got another one. Installed it on the U3S6 card and it works fine.