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  • 15. Re: Intel DH77EB compatibility issue with PCIe x 1 TV Tuner card !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Curious592 Community Member
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    If this is the only information you provide to support or the forums there won't be any assistance.  Even math theorums require proofs.  Otherwise Intel and Leaktek can only point to one another.

    Update:  The device should normally be at least detected as unknown.  In this case it would not be sufficient to state the slot had not been previously used before inserting the TV tuner card, if that was the case.  Such loss would normally be caused by the user, so further information about the sequence of events should be provided for efficient assistance.

  • 16. Re: Intel DH77EB compatibility issue with PCIe x 1 TV Tuner card !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    JFFulcrum Community Member
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    Upon searching the website, the official PCI website stated clearly all PCIe 2.0 is backward compatible with PCIe 1.1 and 1.0.

     

    For greater justice, the bus itself (mechanically&electrically) - yes, but not the program interfaces for device initialization & resource management, especially their vendor-depended parts. There was incompatibilities (known NVIDIA GeForce 6600 vs VIA chipsets, all NVIDIA PCI-E 2.0 cards vs Intel X38 and so on), and still happens for now ( http://communities.intel.com/message/154551#154551 )

  • 17. Re: Intel DH77EB compatibility issue with PCIe x 1 TV Tuner card !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Curious592 Community Member
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    I believe fulcrum summed up the general issue.  From limited experience I would say firmware updates are typically limited to 1 year at most for add-in cards and other devices.  If the power management scheme to be used by the remote conflicts with the parameters of the motherboard, it is possible the card may not be recognized.  A message would be helpful in this event.

     

    I have only been using an Hauppauge WinTV DCR-2650 dual tuner US Digital Cable tuner (CableCARD) for one week but it is far more useful than the older 1250.  The firmware was just updated and the card has been out for 1/2 year.  One test passed three simulaneous recordings with sleep.  A second test failed where the scheduled sleep overlapped the 5 minute startup of the tuners prior to recording.  I have low expectations for hibernation but the 1250 was fair in this regard.  This system lacks FM and remote capabilities like wake from sleep.

  • 18. Re: Intel DH77EB compatibility issue with PCIe x 1 TV Tuner card !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Curious592 Community Member
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    I should mention my systems are now the discontinued DG45ID.  For the first time in years I had a wake from sleep issue with the mouse.  This may be due to having 6 USB connections on the back panel on a Windows 7 system.  The power supply is now several years old.

     

    Otherwise I have not seen the issue reported with AMD graphics cards with some digital tuners.  I haven't checked DisplayPort yet but Windows 8 consumer preview with an HD6670U (latest driver) was used to pair the CableCARD (WMC only) with the digital tuner.  Recording worked for 2 tuners since Windows Media Center is unchanged from Windows 7.  DisplayPort is not yet formally accepted for PlayReady (required by WMC) for unknown reasons.

  • 19. Re: Intel DH77EB compatibility issue with PCIe x 1 TV Tuner card !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    playst Community Member
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    What makes you ASSUME I did not attempt to install the TV tuner driver. If you are not sure ask properly before going around making assumptions.

     

    I had tried installing the TV tuner driver in Windows despite the bios not showing anything and it mentioned no TV tuner was found. Obviously if it cannot be detected in the bios do you think the Window 7 can detect it (I wonder how many times I got to repeat this to you) ???

     

    You are really a strange person, what proof you want to see, proof that the PCIe TV Tuner card cannot work with this motherboard only ? What proof you want so now are you trying to say I am lying ??????? If it cannot work means it cannot work what proof you want ?????

     

    I am not sure why you are going off topic by bringing my sound card into the picture when it had zero problem and it is fully working. I mentioned sound card in my first posting is to tell people that I had tested every single PCIe slot on my DH77EB and it works PERFECTLY with the sound card. This is to conclude all the PCIe slots are working fine.

     

    What interaction with bios thing are you talking about ? If the TV card cannot be detected in bios means it cannot be detected. Thanks but no thanks you are not much of a help here anyway perhaps you can leave my thread and spend your time helping others. Obviously from the way you post you dun understand the problem at all and try to act smart.

  • 20. Re: Intel DH77EB compatibility issue with PCIe x 1 TV Tuner card !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    playst Community Member
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    Hi JFFulcrum  this is exactly the answer I am looking for. Both my motherboard slots and my TV Tuner is working properly. Since only the motherboard bios can be flashed and updated thus I hope Intel can address this compatibility issue asap.

     

    So now after highlighting this issue in this forum the only thing I can do now is to wait and hopefully Intel release a bios that can address this issue.

  • 21. Re: Intel DH77EB compatibility issue with PCIe x 1 TV Tuner card !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Curious592 Community Member
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    It is unfortunate that you dislike me.  I suggest that you re-read the guidelines for using this forum.

  • 22. Re: Intel DH77EB compatibility issue with PCIe x 1 TV Tuner card !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    playst Community Member
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    A simple problem can be twisted and turn by you untill the sound card, sleep mode etc is all drag in whereby all this are totally unrelated to my main problem.

     

    Oh I read the guidelines and it indeed apply to you so please go and post else where.

     

    The correct answer I already award to JFFulcrum who go straight direct to the point.

     

    After he replied, you go OFF TOPIC again by bringing in all your sleep mode, power management, wake from sleep etc problem into my thread which is totally unrelated at all.

     

    I do realise you enjoy going OFF TPOIC if that's so please start your thread and post all your off topic problems there.

  • 23. Re: Intel DH77EB compatibility issue with PCIe x 1 TV Tuner card !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Flying_Kiwi Community Member
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    playst wrote:

     

    I hope Intel can address this compatibility issue asap.

     

    So now after highlighting this issue in this forum the only thing I can do now is to wait and hopefully Intel release a bios that can address this issue.

    Don't forget there's also the option of contacting the TV Card manufacturer in the hope that they'll also be in touch with Intel. They may not be able to release a new BIOS for your motherboard but they will be keen to have their products supported by Intels motherboards and will no doubt be keen for a BIOS upgrade for affected motherboards as well. Sorry for not getting straight to the point with a BIOS update but it is important to rule out other common issues from being responsible (and the points I raised are possible causes). Clearly (to those who understand the workings of PCs at least) if nothing at all is detected in the BIOS then it can't be driver related and you likely won't be able to install a driver (not a PnP one anyway).

     

    Remember not to get sidetracked and good luck with your efforts with Intel Tech Support - let us know what they say!

  • 24. Re: Intel DH77EB compatibility issue with PCIe x 1 TV Tuner card !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Curious592 Community Member
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    1 - I share your concern about the pace of firmware updates but this is an issue that has generally been prolonged by financial, technical, legal and other factors.   I have agreed with you multiple times but you were somehow confused.  I encouraged inspection of your system to assure that it is “otherwise functional”.   Feel free to specifically limit discussion in your initial post.

    The risk has been assumed by you in asserting your experience but sound cards are notorious for causing problems and sound drivers have precedence over everything but system bus drivers regarding installation for that reason.  I don’t know of any references that are more than anecdotal.  I believe that moving the device should not be a concern except for residual memory in the BIOS and conflicts with prior unspecified arrangements.    A BIOS flash would often be the answer for such issues.

     

    2 – The forum guidelines in the agreement mention that users should describe relevant system components and give an idea of their experience.  I have attempted to give some idea of my experience but you have provided very limited information here overall and we are lead to believe that your Leaktek device has never had any power management issues.  If you believe that power management, including sleep, is not a concern, you are far luckier and less experienced than you believe.  Perfect in the computer realm is also fairly relative for most people.  Some BSOD are readily dismissed but there will be some that will be more than an annoyance and delay.  The system must reset to regain orientation and/or avoid potential hardware damage, at the risk of corruption and loss of data.  While you wait for a BIOS update I only meant to suggest finding an alternative, perhaps better, device as an option since this could take considerable time.   I am definitely not endorsing the Hauppauge 2650 I mentioned and was compelled to describe my system accordingly.  This was prepared with some effort but if you have continued concern about me you may contact someone at Intel.   There is also a Report Abuse option.

  • 25. Re: Intel DH77EB compatibility issue with PCIe x 1 TV Tuner card !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Spathi Community Member
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    It is a PCI bridge on the card (so internally the card is messing about with PCI not PCIe), same as this problem.

     

    http//rog.asus.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-6441.html

     

    It has been hacked by some MB manufacturers to work, but I would just get a newer TV Tuner.

  • 26. Re: Intel DH77EB compatibility issue with PCIe x 1 TV Tuner card !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    playst Community Member
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    If you had agreed with me then you will not post ridiculous things like asking proof of my problem.

     

    So what proof you want ???? If the card cannot be detected in bios means it cannot be detected and you still had not answer my question what "proof" you want.

     

    I had asked you to get lost and post else where but you still continue to post here.

     

    So in what instance had you agreed with me multiple times that part certainly amuse me when you still insist on posting here.

     

    No need you to tell me I also know a bios flash is the only solution and you no need to drag in your financial, technical, legal and other factors into here I don't really care. I just want a bios update which only Intel can provide so kindly get lost and post else where please.

  • 27. Re: Intel DH77EB compatibility issue with PCIe x 1 TV Tuner card !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Spathi Community Member
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    meh, he was just trying to help.

     

    You could try other slots. the x16 should work maybe (as a test, obviously it is of no use to you like that). You may be lucky and have one of the x1 slots work, but I doubt it.

     

    The CPU has 20 PCIe channels. x16 for Graphics is straight to CPU/memory, all 4 1x slots and mini will be routed as system channels through the chipset, these channels are multiplexed, polled or divided so the system uses them as well for the onchipset features and MB systems.

     

    The likely issue is that although the PCI-PCIe bridge chip on the tuner tries to support most PCIe1 features it obviously can not support some. My guess is that the tuner reports "not implemented" or crashes when asked if it has various capabilities and the board does not initialize it. These new Intel chips want to do fancy PCIe things like sleep the bus etc to save your power bill, but if they allow cards that do not support such things or crash then you could get all sorts of issues. (Just a guess as I am not actually up with it all).

     

    It is annoying, but although some Tuners used to cost $300 5 years ago, now there are probably better cheap modern ones, you have to google them to work out which ones are native PCIe, popular and which work with what you want.

     

    My hint to the guy on the other forum is to try to find cards that support "Message-Signaled Interrupts" as this will guarantee that it is 2.2 and very modern.

     

    (although maybe not many cards except maybe newer ATI graphics cards from the last few years support these features... not sure, but i would use that as a starting point buying new cards of any type)

  • 28. Re: Intel DH77EB compatibility issue with PCIe x 1 TV Tuner card !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Flying_Kiwi Community Member
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    Spathi wrote:

     

    My hint to the guy on the other forum is to try to find cards that support "Message-Signaled Interrupts" as this will guarantee that it is 2.2 and very modern.

    Even though PCIe slot revisions should be backwards compatible with cards of lower revisions it looks as if this is a chipset limitation, just as with those poor people who wanted to use 'native' PCI cards in their modern Intel Chipset PCI slot quipped board. My hunch is that this would mean even a BIOS change is not going to solve this - what are your thoughts Spathi? I guess the good news is that there'll still be plenty of motherboards around that fully support playst's TV card so he shouldn't have much trouble selling it secondhand if he does decide to upgrade the card.

     

    I thought it was safe for those experieicing problems with PCI tuners in modern boards to use PCIe TV Tuners instead but now even that's not straight forward because some manufacturers don't implement native PCIe designs into their cards but effectively use a modified PCI card.

     

    Yet another thing for those assembling new PCs with TV Tuners to carefully research before making their purchase decisions.

  • 29. Re: Intel DH77EB compatibility issue with PCIe x 1 TV Tuner card !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Spathi Community Member
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    It is just a guess on my part, it could well be that Intel botched up the oprom for its 4x PCIe slots for all manufacturers, so they may just fix it.

     

    DH77EB looks like a nice little board anyway, why I was here checking it out, lol. Don't need anything bigger as the big boards just mess about and multiplex the 16x slot.

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