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  • 60. Re: Calling all DG45ID users with Intel Desktop Utilities 3.1.3
    yf38 Community Member
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    Hi,

    @FK: I tried to change the size to 150% and then 125% and the results are the same as what you observe.

    with other applications I saw some of them correct, and some of them not.

    As a sample:

    CCleaner: correct

    syncback (free version): not correct

    Not correct means that the illumination only briefly flashes when you go above the button, however if you just move sligtly the mouse above the button the illumination flashes again.

     

    I tried also with my other system DH67GD and IDU 031a release, and the behaviour is exactly the same. (also with CCleaner and Syncback).

     

    Probably the difference between the "correct" and "not correct" relies in the programmer's choice to invoke the mouse behaviour properties.

    Why  this is visible only with 150% size, I dont know.

    I observed at some occasions that using other size factor than 100% makes truncated display of text in the areas where they are supposed to fit, so I avoid these settings and keep 100%

     

    @Parsec: IDU version 031a I use with  DH67GD does not display real time cpu frequency, only the name and frequency from specs.

  • 61. Re: Calling all DG45ID users with Intel Desktop Utilities 3.1.3
    Flying_Kiwi Community Member
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    yf38 wrote:

     

    Hi,

    @FK: I tried to change the size to 150% and then 125% and the results are the same as what you observe.

    <and then>

     

    Why  this is visible only with 150% size, I dont know.

    I observed at some occasions that using other size factor than 100% makes truncated display of text in the areas where they are supposed to fit, so I avoid these settings and keep 100%

    Many thanks for running that test yf38. This does indeed seem to be a bug, if not just with IDU then at least Windows. I don't have those other 3rd party products but the ONLY software I have which plays up in this way at 150% is IDU. I know what you mean about truncated Fonts and I used to use 125% factor which did generate this problem within IDU.

     

    I would stay at 100% factor but the binoculars I need to look at my 1680 x 1050 22" screen, get uncomfortable after a while

     

    Looks like I'll have to put up with this minor irritation if Intel aren't going to release anymore versions for the DG45ID. Perhaps another 'unofficial' realease which fixes this could be made available in the future Intel as not everyone wants to use 100% default display settings?

  • 62. Re: Calling all DG45ID users with Intel Desktop Utilities 3.1.3
    Curious592 Community Member
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    The comment by parsec about Silverlight might be relevant, particularly for internet apps.  It could also be possible that some apps that behave better with .NET 3.5 or 4.0 don't suggest installing it.  That is probably difficult to remove so they don't require it (things might get worse?) but I suspect it is an either/or situation.  The learning curve for this programming is very steep.  I've reverted to the older version.

    I still don't use glasses but I've started using a larger font for my documents due to the decreased dot pitch of my new displays, in anticipation.

    Incidentally 180 degrees + 180 degrees equals 360 for me.

  • 63. Re: Calling all DG45ID users with Intel Desktop Utilities 3.1.3
    parsec Community Member
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    Kiwi,  I tried the 150% setting (aka, non-squint mode) and indeed I did get the fluttering of the illumination of the minimize and close buttons.  But Kiwi.. come on mate, ya gotta be kiddin' me, is that really an issue for you?  Do you spend a lot of time with the pointer over those buttons?  Dr. Sigmund Parsec might say you are in grumpy old man mode here (I can say that because I'm not a youngster.)  Don't fall off that cliff my friend, because once you do there's no going back.

     

    I would say the chances of this issue being fixed are 0.0000001%, or the same chance as you being killed by a kiwi falling from the sky and striking you square in the head.

     

    I understand the need to ramp up the size of things on the screen, and have you ever tried the Magnifier tool that is available on the same screen as the non-squint mode setting?  I know, not the same.  One more suggestion by Dr. Parsec, get a new pair of bloody glasses mate!! 

  • 64. Re: Calling all DG45ID users with Intel Desktop Utilities 3.1.3
    Flying_Kiwi Community Member
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    Thanks for also verifying this bug during our consultation parsec. I've just recalled a couple of additional cases where I've seen the 150 % display setting cause graphical errors but they were both with software installation routines (although not at all to do with Silverlight Curious, recent Microsoft software all seems to behave itself in this regard) and they both were purely cosmetic issues (just like this one).

     

    Anything like this just brings out the nitpicky software beta tester / ex aeronautical maintenance engineer  / ex quality control inspector in me. I understand that it's important to see the beauty in life with all of natures imperfections and things which give character and majesty to the otherwise mundane - a bit like the mole on the cheek of one of my Primary school teachers - it even had a hair or two growing out of it - this just isn't one of those situations though.

     

    As this'll be an issue which afflicts many users of IDU who have Windows 7 based HTPCs where the screen is far away from the viewer (in my case about 1 Flying Kiwi length or 6' 5"), I'd like to see Intel taking steps to exterminate it. Such issues will only become more prevalent in the future, not just because of an ageing population hunched over their screens having first put their monocles in but because the number of people using computers as all-in-one Home Theatre PCs is on the rise.

  • 65. Re: Calling all DG45ID users with Intel Desktop Utilities 3.1.3
    Curious592 Community Member
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    With Silverlight, more customizations will appear that may not all be fully compatible for all settings.  This issue is one that Microsoft will address willingly as far as I know, in time.  That is a programming issue for display.  Truncation of text or displacement of windows would merit prompt action.  I can't quite condemn Intel for accepting these flaws, except for version 3.1.3.  Having my own QC environment experience you have my support so I will personally refrain from any Henny-Penny comments.

    Internet Explorer 9 conforms to more standards and is generally performing better for loading pages and provides for termination of scripts.  The variations for web sites are many orders of magnitude greater than for desktop applications.  The number of errors and interpreted errors for web pages is mind-boggling.

  • 66. Re: Calling all DG45ID users with Intel Desktop Utilities 3.1.3
    Flying_Kiwi Community Member
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    Curious592 wrote:

     

    With Silverlight, more customizations will appear that may not all be fully compatible for all settings. 

     

    <and then>

     

    Having my own QC environment experience you have my support so I will personally refrain from any Henny-Penny comments.

    Thanks for your effort Curious but as previously mentioned Silverlight is NOT related to the problem I'm experiencing. Perhaps my choice of words such as 'aflicted' may have a 'The sky is falling' tone to it but for the reasons given I really do believe Intel should fix this! FWIW some people, depending where you come from, may recognise Henny Penny as the fable of 'Chicken Little' - that was the case for me.

  • 67. Re: Calling all DG45ID users with Intel Desktop Utilities 3.1.3
    Curious592 Community Member
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    Flying_kiwi,

     

    I tried to find an excellent and very long discussion of the graphics issues involved but I must have lost the link when I reinstalled my system.

     

    If you change the IDU application properties compatibility to disable display scaling on high dpi settings, the flickering buttons with mouse-over reverts to standard behavior even at 150% scaling.  Unfortunately the text is not scaled correctly but mostly legible.  Whether the difference has to do with forward or backward compatibility or other reasons is unknown.  The default settings have been associated with a 120 dpi maximum (120/96 = 125%).  That preceded mobile apps, larger displays and higher resolution tiny displays, and possibly even internet sites with more than text capability.

     

    There are significant roadblocks to the implementation of a unified programming model for internet and desktop apps.  The mouse/button behavior seems to be compatible with the dynamic menus employed in Windows Media Center and internet apps.  I would not care for them myself except that it reduces the number of clicks required, which I greatly appreciate.

  • 68. Re: Calling all DG45ID users with Intel Desktop Utilities 3.1.3
    Flying_Kiwi Community Member
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    Curious592 wrote:

     

    If you change the IDU application properties compatibility to disable display scaling on high dpi settings, the flickering buttons with mouse-over reverts to standard behavior even at 150% scaling.  Unfortunately the text is not scaled correctly but mostly legible.

     

    <and then>

     

    There are significant roadblocks to the implementation of a unified programming model for internet and desktop apps.

    I think that changing the properties is an out of the frying pan, into the fire approach. As well as the truncated fonts, the whole GUI shrinks down defeating the point of using 150% in the first place. I'll just put up with the flickering buttons (at least until Intel fix it).

     

    I'm not sure what the benifit to having a unified programming model for Internet and Desktop apps would be, nor what that has to do with IDU. Personally I'd like to see IDU merge seamlessly with othe Intel apps such as their RAID software but I understand if members of the different design teams have used different approaches/programming languages and GUI styles to achieve their objectives so far.

  • 69. Re: Calling all DG45ID users with Intel Desktop Utilities 3.1.3
    Curious592 Community Member
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    The newer programming model is meant to address those issues and much like a single language (English for instance) problems remain.  Without seeing the program itself I can't say whether that is involved but it probably will not cause compatibility problems.

     

    For an analogy consider the display of pictures.  I used the sea turtle for my desktop under Vista, as well as a color chart to adjust my monitor.  The desktop, the thumbnail in the side panel and apps such as Windows Paint all displayed it very differently.  Only a good display could show the lighting correctly above the turtle.  Complications included the lack of  a color profile, size and the program's implementation.  Fonts are demanding for display legibly on different platforms, monitors and as different sizes.

     

    The topic of IDU versions seems settled since the boards have specific drivers listed.  The multiple versions recently may have had more to do with internal matters.  If that doesn't make sense maybe I should move there.

  • 70. Re: Calling all DG45ID users with Intel Desktop Utilities 3.1.3
    bunny Community Member
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    Thank you for an informative answer. I appreciate it. (DQ57 + DQ45 + a Q35 too!)

     

    To throw a spanner in the works, 3.1.4.031 (maybe a, maybe not) leaks.

    After been open, iconised on the desktop for a few weeks, it was just south of a gigabyte. Thus putting it

    above everything except an iexplore window with twitter on.

     

    On starting, it was only 6.5Mb, but I didn't track the speed of the leak.

     

    Update, about 1 day later, 42.5Mb, you definitely have a leak in IDU.

     

    It would be nice if it worked with W2k8r2 too, many people use desktop boards to run server OSes because they are:

    a) cheaper

    b) easier to obtain. (Especially in Akihabara, where Server boards are as rare as pretty maids.)

     

    Message was edited by: bunny, added latest size.

  • 71. Re: Calling all DG45ID users with Intel Desktop Utilities 3.1.3
    Flying_Kiwi Community Member
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    bunny wrote:


    To throw a spanner in the works, 3.1.4.031 (maybe a, maybe not) leaks.

    I never had my DG45ID running this version of IDU for longer than a couple of days between reboots but I'm not totally surprised to read that. The next version of IDU also needs to have the highlighting of the minimise, maximise and close buttons sorted for people who use 150% Display under Win 7 - as referred to earlier in the thread.

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