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  • 30. Re: Calling all DG45ID users with Intel Desktop Utilities 3.1.3
    Flying_Kiwi Community Member
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    spearson wrote:

     

    Since, in Intel(R) Desktop Boards, the BIOS owns the QST configuration, this is also a BIOS issue. I will report this to the sustaining team for this BIOS...

    Many thanks for the thorough response Scott (which does answer all my questions). As long as you're reporting issues to the BIOS team, could you please also let them know about the issue where the fan speed locks into full and the PC becomes impossible to power off normally when certain 'newer' CPUs are used with this board (eg E8500 etc) and 'recent' BIOS versions (rev 113 and newer) are installed. The only way to get around this problem is by disabling CPU C States in the BIOS on such affected systems. I realise it's an antique product now but many of us here have been asking for this to be looked at for quite some time and there's a (very) long thread in this forum all about it from June 2010 here. I was the one who discovered (through trial and error) the disabling C States work around. I realise any fix will likely be a no go at this stage but if you could let them know all the same, I'd appreciate it. Thanks again.

  • 31. Re: Calling all DG45ID users with Intel Desktop Utilities 3.1.3
    parsec Community Member
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    Thanks for the info spearson, and just a confirmation and FYI if you care to file this (or I should say update what is already there) in the endless details section of Intel chipset quirks in your brain... no offense to Intel, just reality.

     

    Indeed, the G45 MCH (Memory Controller Hub, just practice to remember the acronyms, let's see, PCH, IOH, MCH, ICH... ) temperature sensing diode or whatever it actually is, does not report temperature data below 66C /150F, so it reads 150F from a stone cold boot.  MY DG45ID with IDU never read above 150F, so that's cool... sorta, I guess.  I actually found that in an Intel document once, likely the 4 Series Chipset Thermal and Mechanical Specifications.

     

    So the G41 boards (or chips?) were never supported by IDU.  Ok, but maybe the documentation mentioned "4 Series chipsets", since some are supported.  But, I sure don't see IDU as a download for the G41 boards I checked.  So why would anyone expect it to work with them?

     

    Hmm, I guess I can download IETU and run it on any platform I use, because I feel like it and expect it to work!!!    

  • 32. Re: Calling all DG45ID users with Intel Desktop Utilities 3.1.3
    ryangibson77 Community Member
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    Scott,

     

    Thanks for the detail. I am very familiar with PID compensation, as I design power supplies and control systems for a living, and also appreciate your explanation of why the fan doesn't spool up until the CPU temp gets high enough for "psycho-accoustics."

     

    It would definitely be nice if the BIOS folks gave us more control of fan speeds, etc. As I've mentioned before, I have issues with the control scheme for the chassis fans as well, and ended up having to go buy chassis fans that have built in thermal control and just connected them to the PSU because I got tired of the blinking and surging that I was experiencing with the chassis fan controllers on the DG45ID mobo...

     

    On the other note, here is a screen shot of my IDU. I tried uninstalling, rebooting, reinstalling and then rebooting again and still have the same issue:

     

    IDU Screenshot.jpg

     

    This is for IDU 3.1.31a, with the latest BIOS update (135) and Windows 7 Pro x64...I was never able to download 3.1.22, and 3.1.30 never even opened up for me due to the bug...

  • 34. Re: Calling all DG45ID users with Intel Desktop Utilities 3.1.3
    ryangibson77 Community Member
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    Thanks yf38 for posting that link, and thanks Scott for re-posting the last known good version!

     

    Will v22 work with my DG45ID mobo and Q8300 processor, or is that one of the combinations that requires the newer release?

  • 35. Re: Calling all DG45ID users with Intel Desktop Utilities 3.1.3
    yf38 Community Member
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    it should work.

    Take care to stop or avoid another version to start running, and uninstall it as I discussed before, then install V22.

  • 36. Re: Calling all DG45ID users with Intel Desktop Utilities 3.1.3
    Flying_Kiwi Community Member
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    Scott,

     

    One bug that I've found with the new version 3.1.4.031 on my DG45ID, the buttons for close and minimise only light up when the mouse is moving over them. If the mouse pointer is stationary on the button the illumination goes away - it should remain (while the mouse pointer is on the button). I can't see how this would be BIOS related or due to anything other than IDU code so good luck effecting repairs!

  • 37. Re: Calling all DG45ID users with Intel Desktop Utilities 3.1.3
    parsec Community Member
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    I have a C2Quad Q8300 in my DG45ID PC, and I've been using IDU v  3.1.2.022 since it was released, 12/3/2010.  It has worked fine for me  from day one, and continues to do so.  This release is the specified  version for the DG45ID, using another version is IMO, at your own risk.   If I may editorialize, newer versions are not necessarily better or  improved, just different for whatever reason, such as accommodating new  mother boards.  I would also not expect software that is not supported  by the hardware or designed to work with it to function with it, that is  rather obvious IMO.

     

    Gibson, the support/download page  for your DG45ID is our friend, that is where I go first for drivers,  etc.  There are newer version of IRST for example, and although I am  tempted to try the new versions, I don't.  IMO, we should trust the  manufacture to know what is best for their products, and if they forget  to update the software versions for a product, well, that's not a huge  disaster.

     

    Just keep C-State disabled in the BIOS, and  you should be fine!  I've never owned a G45 mother board from another  manufacture, so I don't know if they all suffer from this problem, or if  it is just this board.

     

    I use a CM GeminII S with it's 120mm fan in my DG45ID PC, and IDU  is showing my Processor Thermal Margin as 65C/149F, which is more than I  would expect, but what can I say, it does decrease under load.  Don't  worry about the G45 Memory Controller Hub showing 66C/151F all the time,  that is the minimum temperature it can display (a quirk of that chip),  so the actual temperature is lower than that.  I must say that in the  Board tab of the Hardware Monitor, the gauge display for the MCH  Temperature is at the top of the green zone at the lowest temperature it  is able to be display, 151F, which could cause people to be a bit  concerned, if they don't know that is really not the actual  temperature.  Both the MCH and ICH have very high maximum temperatures, they put CPUs to shame! 

     

    If you ever attempt to adjust the Sensor Threshold in  the Options section, you can't set the upper limit temperature as low as  I'd like, I can't get the mother board below 150F, ICH below 185F, and MCH  below 215F.  Not a big issue, but the default settings are at the true  maximums is seems, although a mother board temp above 125F would worry  me.  The voltage sensor limits are fine, a good safety feature.  The  final caveat, running another hardware monitoring program can cause IDU  to see bad data or just screw it up.  I've seen this with other  monitoring software, and in my experience it seems whatever program is  running first, that is the one that then has problems.

  • 38. Re: Calling all DG45ID users with Intel Desktop Utilities 3.1.3
    yf38 Community Member
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    @FK

    I am using the new IDU rev. 031a with my DH67GD and the close or minimize buttons stay illuminated as long as I maintain the mouse on, only the text bubble disappears after some seconds, which is normal.

    So, on this IDU supported motherboard, the issue is not present. Maybe it means that something else is causing this trouble with your DG45ID, or some windows 7 setting.

    I have stopped to update IDU with DG45ID, keeping 022 rev. the last supported one for the moment and maybe for ever, following Parsec opinion.

    The main difference from 022 to 031 I have seen is that finaly, after years of  "thermal margin" for the Processor, we are now gratified with a "processor temperature". "a small step for man ... "

    To be continued... with series 6 motherboards threads.

  • 39. Re: Calling all DG45ID users with Intel Desktop Utilities 3.1.3
    parsec Community Member
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    yf,  Now ya got me goin'... with the latest version of IDU, since my DG45ID PC, when using other hardware monitors besides IDU, shows weird temperature readings.  Such as, two cores never reading below 95F, when the others consistently do, and the CPU temperature of 329F, which goes down when load increases, obviously a bad calculation of the thermal margin reading.  Sure, I may have struck thermal sensors on those cores or socket pin issues, but I'm not a believer in remounting CPUs when really not necessary.  But a straight-up CPU temp from IDU?  I just might check that out!

     

    I should take this opportunity to compliment IDU, in contrast to other hardware monitors that don't seem to work will with this system, can you believe that IDU development team?!

     

    To consider the other side of the argument for using the latest version of IDU with any mother board, given that this software is generally common across all Intel recent mother boards, I would think there are many separate modules of code for those differing platforms.  Given that, problems due to sharing code should not be a problem.  But then consider the UI, which is apparently common across platforms (I don't own any other Intel boards.)  That may be the reason for issues with multiple platforms, and makes sense IMO.

     

    As I said earlier about Intel RST software, can we really expect IRST software that supports the latest PCH chipsets to work with the ICH chipsets?  While it could, it's not unreasonable for it not to work, IMO.  In the case of IDU, simply noting in the documentation that for example, versions beyond a certain release are not meant for use with earlier platforms would explain the situation, which is reasonable but needs to be clearly documented.

  • 40. Re: Calling all DG45ID users with Intel Desktop Utilities 3.1.3
    Flying_Kiwi Community Member
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    yf38 wrote:

     

    @FK

    I am using the new IDU rev. 031a with my DH67GD and the close or minimize buttons stay illuminated as long as I maintain the mouse on, only the text bubble disappears after some seconds, which is normal.

    Thanks for that bit of news. That does indeed sound motherboard or chipset specific then. As there seems to be no improvement or extra feature with this version I have no issue with reverting to the latest supported version. My concern however is that there are some 4 series motherboards which are supported for this version - do the buttons illuminate correctly under Win 7 SP1 x64 for those boards?

     

    Something for the Intel people to check if they haven't already done so.

  • 41. Re: Calling all DG45ID users with Intel Desktop Utilities 3.1.3
    yf38 Community Member
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    For what concern using simultaneously more than one IDU like tool, I think the reason may be that the programming interface with the bios, and more generaly the hardware which is behind, should be properly locked (uninterruptible) at some places, to avoid that another utility enters a sequence that should not be entered again before the completion of the previous one.

    This is common in operating systems, and the job of minimizing the duration of the locks is hard and subject to errors.

    For a kind of utility as IDU, probably the cost is not justified, and the lock durations may also have bad consequences to normal operating system behaviour.

    It is far simpler to allow only one utility, or accept some issues based on probabilities.

    I suspect that it is not specific to IDU but the same with other different utilities.

     

    About the several motherboards using IDU, if you read (again) the post of S.Spearson on the previous page, it seems that the newer versions of the various bios are designed to provide an interface which tries to hide as much as possible the differences from boards to board for what concern IDU.

    This is more visible with series 6 motherboards where you can adjust more parameters for the temperature and fan control in the bios, and new sensors naming features.

    This is good for new motherboards, but for those in end of life status, reworking a bios is not very productive, and can explain that at some moment the motherboard cannot follow the new IDU release utility.

    This IDU is a no ending discussion subject.

  • 42. Re: Calling all DG45ID users with Intel Desktop Utilities 3.1.3
    parsec Community Member
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    Is that a hint yf38?  Much ado about nothing?  Frankly, I do see that point.

     

    The interest in this topic has run the gambit from an Intel customer demanding it work on an unsupported platform, to issues with IDU when both used appropriately and not, and confusion over what version to use on a specific platform.  In the end it sounds trivial, but I found some enlightenment in it.

  • 43. Re: Calling all DG45ID users with Intel Desktop Utilities 3.1.3
    Curious592 Community Member
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    One of the several oddities is the limitation of the new version to DQ and 43GT boards.  I'm not well versed in the differences but this seems backward, even marketing oriented.  I have installed version 3.1.4.31a but am uncertain if it will remain since no difference is apparent for the DG45ID with Q8300.   The installation did restart after completion but I had disabled antivirus this time.  In the end, if it is most compatible with Win 7 SP1 I will keep it.

  • 44. Re: Calling all DG45ID users with Intel Desktop Utilities 3.1.3
    Flying_Kiwi Community Member
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    parsec wrote:

     

    The interest in this topic has run the gambit from an Intel customer demanding it work on an unsupported platform,

    See my last post if it's me you're referring to parsec - not that I'm demanding you do so

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