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Overheating problems with DX58OG

beja1900 Community Member
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Hello,

 

I've recently build two systems with DX58OG and i7-980X processors but I'm running into serious overheating problems. While the CPU is cold as the ice princess, the chipset is gravely overheating. Althought the fan from CPU heatsink is blowing air over chipset's heatsink, that doesn't help much. Even leaving system normally running in win7 environment, the chipset gets overheated not to mention running any application (and I believe that noone spends money for 980x to be wathching screensavers). From the beginning they are additional 120mm fans installed in the case (Chieftec Aegis) but although the air is blowing over heatsink it obviously isn't enough. I'm using normal PC vents, not ones with air flow that will suffice in cooling down the house. But as I said, I can't do anything with the system as the chipset gets to warm. The only solution so far is, to disable automatic controlling of CPUs fan and keep it running at full sped, but in that case, I need ear mufflers. So now, I'm a bit confused. I never before had such problems with Intel boards and I just don't know if the boards are faulty or is this a major drawback in Intel's engineering ? I've already upgraded BIOS and defaulted the BIOS settings, but to no help. Does anybody else have problems with mention motherboard or am I singled out in this universe ?

  • 1. Re: Overheating problems with DX58OG
    mechbob Community Member
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    For some of the Extreme Intel boards they make a plastic clip and a fan that can be mounted on your northbridge. works OK.

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    Robert,

     

    I would like to know a bit more about that fan.  I am struggling with the DX58OG as well.  There are no heatsinks on the IO Hub chips.  Mine seem to run hot.  This is my second board in this build, and neither have had heatsinks.

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    mechbob Community Member
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    The heatsink that I was looking at for you will not work on your board , I was looking at the DX58so, There is a bracket that you can get ( if you can find it ) The part # is D97710-001 , it's just a bracket you have to get your own fan 20mmx20mm. Intel says discontinuned. Ebay may find it . I used on on my DX48BT2 , Just drilled 4 holes to mount the fan works fine.e43121, Fan for DX58SO.gif

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    Robert,

    Thank you for the update.

    MLG

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    parsec Community Member
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    What is it that makes you think the chipset is overheating?  What are their temperatures?

     

    Both the X58 and ICH10R have maximum temperatures above the maximum for i7-900 CPUs.  This chipset's maximum temps are just over 100C.  It is common for the X58 to operate at 150F, and the ICH10R at 125F.  I agree that seems and is rather warm, but well within spec.

     

    The G45 chipset on an Intel socket 775 CPU mother board I have runs at about 140F all the time.  The temperature sensor on the G45 will not even provide a temperature reading below about 150F, that according to the Technical Specification document, and what I have seen using any hardware temperature monitor.  Turn on the PC from sitting overnight and the G45 reads 155F after running for 30 seconds, and never changes unless I stress it as much as possible, and stop airflow around it (as an experiment to see if the temp sensor was working... it was.)

     

    There are a fair amount of chipset coolers available if you search them out.  Mounting a small fan as Mr. Gifford suggests will certainly help.  I've got my X58 chip (on a different mother board) down to about 130F with a tiny Silenx fan on it's heatsink, and short of water cooling I won't be able to get much better than that.

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    beja1900 Community Member
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    A little update from my side.

     

    First of all, how do I know the chipset is overheating ? Well, I've installed Intel's monitoring program and when I'm running CPU intensive programs, counter goes into red zone, I got warning message and computer freezes or resets itself. At the beginning, I have blamed CPU, but this one is not CPU's fault (those intel's monitoring programs have log and the last entry shows, that CPU have a lot reserve to go, while, as it is called, I/O hub have serious problems). So I've changed my computer case to Cooler Master CM 690 II and installed two fans on the side (blowing inside directly onto chipset), one in the rear, also blowing air inside the case and two on the top sucking hot air and blowing it outside the case. In BIOS, I've turned off any controlling of fans, so they all blows at the full force. Well computer is very noisy at this moment, but it works. Chipset temp is near the red zone, but it doesn't goes over. While it seems, this may be the solution, the problem still stays, as I only have 1-2 degrees to spare and I'm again in the red zone (temps are running around 61 degrees Celsius). On the other nad, I don't care if the temperature shows 100C but I want stable computer and this one, well, constant freezing and reseting can hardly be called stable.

     

    I've so far assembled more than 100 computers wit X58 chipsets, lots of them with DX58SO board and even more of them with boards from other manufacturers (mostly Asus) as in the high-end configurations there is usually a demand for a lot of memory and the DX58SO board has only 4 slots. So I have tried this new arrival on the market, as I usually am satisfied with the stability and performance of Intel boards, but now I am disappointed.

     

    I've also written to Intel's tech support and they suggested using certified and tested memory, namely Kingston's KVR1333D3E9S/4GHB. To spare you the extra costs, it didn't improve anything.

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    mechbob Community Member
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    I have not had the chance to get my hands on the (  OG  ) , How is the passive cooler fasten on to the board ?? I was thinking about your overheating problem and I thought if it wasn't too much trouble to remove the heatsink , Remove it clean it up add some CPU paste reinstall the cooler then see what temps you get??

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    parsec Community Member
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    Ok beja, that is the information I needed, sorry but I needed those details and I had no idea of your level of familiarity with this platform.  Another question, what is your video card configuration?  I have seen situations where two SLI'd video cards really aggravate the X58's temperature, or even one if it is very close to the X58.  The top PCI-E slot is just below the X58's heat sink, isn't it?

     

    Given your last post, I would agree that things are not what they should be regarding the chipset temperatures.  I have two CM 690 II cases, which are above average in their component cooling capabilities, and if you are still having temperature issues when using two fans on the side of the case, then something is not right IMO.  Side fans in my experience make a huge difference in cooling, and if you are still in the red zone or close to it according to the monitoring program, that is odd.  Sorry to nitpick, but what size fans are you using on the side of the case?

     

    From pictures of the DX58OG, the X58's heat sink is different from other Intel 'boards I have seen, and looks better than others Intel has used, but the ICH10R's heat sink looks standard and typical for Intel.  Since you've used many ASUS X58 mother boards in the past, you know that their BIOS allows you to set voltages for the X58, the IMC on the CPU, etc.  I'm wondering what those voltages are set to in your DX58OG's BIOS, but if they are on Auto or at the standard voltage, then that is not an issue.

     

    I certainly would not be happy with an unstable PC or one with chipset temperatures in the red zone, and I can't see anything that you are doing wrong.  I have heard of cases of X58 chips in some ASUS boards having high temperatures, so perhaps that is the case here.  Remounting the heat sink as was suggested might help, but you should not need to do that with a new board.

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    jcar80 Community Member
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    Glad to hear that I am not the only one having all kinds of heat problems (results in a hard freeze) with this motherboard.  I had been focusing on the memory since when it auto-configed it used more aggresive timings that what the dimms were rated for (7-7-7-20 instead of the 9-9-9-24 actual rating), but even after manually configuring that it still will freeze with any kind of load.  Plus, I can run memtest for hours and have it test fine; it isn't until it is under any kind of load under Windows 7 that it quickly fail.

     

    The thing I am suspicious of is that there are no heatsinks that run along side the CPU, I suppose those are voltage regulators?  You can see them actually pictured in the product guide like on page 12, and the motherboard does have the mounting holes for them drilled.  If you look at other motherboards like the DX58SO/DX58SO2 they have very large heatsinks attached.  In fact, looking at various X58 motherboards by other manufacturers they all seem to have heatsinks; even large heatpipes.

     

    Did the manufacturing plant forget to install those?

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    jcar80 Community Member
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    Just looked the actual photo on the main page for this motherboard and yes indeed they did not install those heatsinks.  I guess the question now is to RMA to the vendor or to Intel?  Ideally they could just send the heatsinks and I can install them.  Unfortunately, looking at the screenshots the vendor I bought it from took, they are missing the heatsinks also.

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    beja1900 Community Member
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    Well first of all, thank you all for some useful tips but I kinda gave up. Actually I was wondering if anyone out there has similar problems, as I didn't know if there's a flaw in Intel's design and/or lack of thorough testing or am I just that unlucky and maybe I have got faulty boards. I've tried everything that crossed my mind but judging from the pictures of other boards I just think that there's design error. Other boards like Asus Sabertooth and other Asus more expensive models, Intel's DX58SO2 and also a lot of other boards they all have heatsinks that spread around CPU socket and usually it seems that they also include heatpipes. Well one thing that I wasn't sure is: maybe board runs just ok on other CPUs, like i7-950, maybe i7-980X is just "too much" for a board named "outagamie" ? But I don't have any other socket 1366 CPU at hand to test it. The boards I've got are new, at first actually I wanted DX58SO2 but I've contacted all major distributors in EU and boards are still unavailable so I had to settle for OG. I will send them back and I will go (once again) with Asus. If some new information will arise (still waiting for Intel's support response) I will post them here.

     

    And to answer some additional tips:

     

    I am using PNY Quadro 600 VGA card, it's very basic quadro card, it's not hot, and I've tried to move it into lower PCI-e 16x slot on motherboard, to minimize additional heating from VGA and to maximize airflow around chipset. I even found and tried some of those once popular so called, PCI slot vents but without any significant success.

     

    I've updated (one) motherboard BIOS to latest version, without success.

     

    I've set everything to default in BIOS, I wasn't touching any voltages, ... everything is left on AUTO.

     

    And as suggested: the only thing, still waiting to be done (new board, warranty ...) is removing heatsink, clean it, applying new thermal paste (I'm usually happy with Arctic Cooling MX2) and mount it back. Maybe this simple trick can do the business - I will see if Intel's service center will allow me to try this without loosing my warranty !

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    jcar80 Community Member
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    So you are missing the heatsinks around the CPU also?  That isn't a design flaw, looks like it is manufacturing.  Take a look at the intel photograph of the board, you can clearly see the large heatsinks around the CPU socket.  Mine are missing (hence the problem).

     

    Intel photograph:

     

    http://www.intel.com/Assets/Image/prodlarge/DX58OG_lg.jpg

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    parsec Community Member
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    The VReg heat sinks are obvious in the Intel product literature, but I just checked an E-Tailer's web site, and the pictures of it do not have the VReg heat sinks.  Check it out (there are multiple pictures and you can zoom in):

     

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/ImageGallery.aspx?CurImage=13-121-472-Z01&SpinSet=13-121-472-RS&ISList=13-121-472-Z01%2c13-121-472-Z02%2c13-121-472-Z03%2c13-121-472-Z04%2c13-121-472-Z05&S7ImageFlag=1&Item=N82E16813121472&Depa=0&WaterMark=1&Description=Intel%20BOXDX58OG%20LGA%201366%20Intel%20X58%20SATA%206Gb%2fs%20USB%203.0%20ATX%20Intel%20Motherboard

     

    I did a quick scan of other Intel mother boards, and the lower priced models do not have VReg  heat sinks, but the two other 1366/X58 mother boards do.  Is it  possible that a production change was made in the DX58OG, and those heat  sinks are no longer included?  Or did this E-Tailer receive boards from the same "bad" run of 'boards without the heat sinks?

     

    I think you will need an official statement from Intel support regarding whether or not the DX58OG should have VReg heat sinks.  It is possible that the Intel picture is a early prototype that does not reflect current production.

     

    I must say that I am wondering why the lack of VReg heat sinks would cause the chipsets  to overheat.  I'm not saying it does or doesn't, I'm just trying to  understand if that could occur.  It is not immediately obvious to me why  the lack of VReg heat sinks would cause chipset overheating.

     

    It could be that VRegs without heat sinks would then tend to transfer their heat into  the mother board itself, possibly into the ground plane of the 'board  for example.  That heat could then be transfered to the X58 chip,  theoretically.  The ICH10 chip is not close to the VRegs in question, and unless the entire mother board is at a very high temperature, it is much less likely to affected by the VReg's heat, IMO.  Any other explanations on how this could occur?

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    beja1900 Community Member
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    Well, mine motherboards also came without them ! There's no other heatsinks around CPU beside the one on the chipset !

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