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Today, Intel launched 50W low power versions of the 45nm Quad-Core Xeon processors (the L5400 series).

The 2 new SKUs are listed below:

 

Quad-Core Xeon L5420 2.50 GHz, 12MB L2, 1333MHz

Quad-Core Xeon L5410 2.33 GHz, 12MB L2, 1333MHz

 

These products offer IT and business users 2 primary benefits:

 

  • 45nm 50W quad-core brings 25% improved performance over previous generation 65nm 50W quad-core processors

  • They also run 30W cooler than mainstream 80W quad-core processors delivering the same performance at the same frequency.

 

 

We have seen strong interest for these 50W quad-core products and I'd like to hear from you on where you would use low power quad-core and why?

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I recently found this simple animation that breaks down the Xeon processor family into bite-sized chunks and explains which Xeon-based servers are best suited to meet common IT and business needs.

 

I shared it last week when traveling with customers in Taiwan and it was well received.

 

What do you think of this video?

 

 

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During my blog post last week titled "[processors-cpus-cores-arent-they-all-the-same|p-10936]", I got a request to talk more about server terminology, going beyond the CPU. So here we go.

 

The processor does all your computational calculations. The chipset is attached to the processor and manages information and data flow from the processor to the other system components like memory and other I/O (input / output) devices. If the processor is the "brain", then the chipset is the "heart". Memory and I/O devices are like "arms" and "legs" - you need them all working together. The term chipset, memory controller, and memory controller hub (MCH) are often used interchangeably

 

At Intel, we refer to the platform as the combination of all of these devices that comprise a server. From a hardware perspective, I see the following terms used interchangeably: platform, solution, system, server, workstation, and there are probably others I'm missing. However, I have also seen platform refer to the software stack, as well as the complete hardware and software solution together.

 

Another term that you may also here is form factor. Form factor refers to the size and shape of the final system you would buy from a manufacturer. The most common server form factors are rack mount, pedestal, towers and blades.

 

 

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I get questioned often about the difference between these terms and it can be confusing. Now that we are in the era of multi-core, let's explore common terminology. What is the difference between a processor, CPU, a chip, a core and a socket? And how is threading different?

 

Processor / CPU: This is what Intel makes and OEMs design into their systems.
Processors and CPUs are sometimes referred to as CHIPs
*Sockets:* The physical location on the system board where the processor/CPU goes. Sockets are increasingly used to describe a servers capability. A 4S (4 socket) server supports up to 4 CPUs inside. Sometimes this might also described as to as 4w (wayness) or 4P (processor) server.

Cores: The number physical processing units contained within the processor. There can be one, two, four or more ...
*Threads:* Some Intel processors support multi-threading technology. This is simply the ability to run more than one software thread on a core (Single threaded means one stream of software per core at a time) (Multi-threaded means more than one stream of software is executed in parallel)

So ... Processor, CPU, Socket, and Chips are terms that are often used interchangeably. Cores and Threads are both features inside the processor. Was this helpful to you ? Let me know. Chris

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Today's workstation with (2) Intel® Xeon® 5400 Series processors transforms a workstation from a simple design terminal into a powerful engineering tool that helps users potentially compress the time between an idea and a product. At Intel we call that "working differently". In the manufacturing vertical market it may also be called:

  • digital prototyping,

  • analysis driven design or

  • simulation based product design.

 

No matter what you call it, these new ways of working help manufacturers virtually explore complete products before they are built-so they can create, validate, optimize, and manage designs from the conceptual design phase through the manufacturing process.

 

 

Digital prototyping processes may also require that you also rethink your workstation deployment strategy; moving from single processor workstations, to two (2) Intel Xeon 5400 processor based workstations with 8 computational cores and up to 100 peak gigaflops of floating point performance. This compute capacity coupled with the robust visualization environment enabled by two (2) PCI Gen 2 graphics adapters changes would be workstations into workstation supercomputers and enables engineers and designers to concurrently perform traditional CAD design as well moderate size analysis (e.g. over 5M degrees of freedom finite element modeling jobs or up to 10M cell fluid dynamic simulations).

 

 

This combination (CAD and Analysis) can help organization optimize CAD parts or assemblies under a wide range of physical scenarios including mechanical and thermal effects. Net result is workstation supercomputers based on Intel® Xeon® 5400 Series processor can help to bring higher quality or more innovative ideas to markets faster than ever before.

 

 

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I often get asked what type of server a customer should use when landing their virtualised infrastructure, the immediate response is an obvious one, given I work for Intel - an Intel based server ! But beyond this the answer is a little more complex and to some extent depends on the philosophical approach the data centre manager wants to take to architecting their data centre.

 

There are a number of choices that can be made when using standard Intel based server hardware - ignoring the obvious decision as to the hypervisor vendor - DP ( 2-way ) vs MP ( 4-way ) servers, rack mount vs blade.

 

Ultimately any server decision is the right one ( so long as its an Intel based solution ) but some of the factors that will influence the decision are :-

 

 

 

  • How many virtual machines ( VMs ) are you prepared to host onto a single server - MP servers can host substantially more VMs than DP - over 2x more depending on the workload within the VMs - this is down to the better memory capacity and larger number of I/O slots that MP servers typically support compared to DP servers. Against this using a DP server may be a better solution as 2 DP servers may cost less than an MP server, and combined host as many VM's whilst not having as many VMs hosted onto a single server.

 

  • Density & Form factor - DP servers typically have a higher density form factor than MP servers - at the expense of less I/O & memory capability. But you need to take into consideration that an MP server can host more VMs than a DP server so within a given rack space use of a lower number of MP servers may well enable hosting of more VMs than using more DP servers.

 

  • Blades vs Rack - there is significant momentum building behind the move to bladed servers, mostly driven by the fact that the density achievable using blades is far higher than that possible use rack mount servers. Also the shared resources of a blade solution ( power supplies, cooling, network switches etc ) can lead to cost and power savings in high density configurations. The challenge with hosting a virtualised infrastructure on blade servers however is that blades tend to be limited in the amount of memory and I/O that they can support. The trade off of course is that with the increased density of a blade solution its possible with fewer VMs/Blade but more Blades/rack the overall number of VMs that can be hosted within a given data centre is greater using blades than rack mount servers.

 

Other factors to take into consideration are that MP servers typically have a higher level of built-in RAS ( reliability, availability & serviceability ) features than DP servers and when hosting multiple VMs on a single server the overall reliability of a servers and its ability to be serviced without shutting down all the hosted VMs becomes very important to the overall efficiency of the Data Centre.

 

As I said at the beginning - there is no simple answer and a lots depends on the approach you want to take in architecting your solution. Intel's own IT department has done lots of work in this area and have posted many of their results here for others to learn from their experiences.

 

The only thing that is for certain is that whatever decision is made on form factor the performance of the processors you specify has a direct impact on the number of VMs a server can host - the higher the CPU performance the more VMs that can be hosted and the lower the impact of the hypervisor overhead on the overall system performance, check out the latest virtualisation performance data here and here

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In the second comment around the right time for datacenter refresh, I'd like to look at Costs. Power is covered in the comment from Chris and I covered some comments on Space already in the discussion forum. So what it really boils down to is cost of running your existing datacenter versus the costs of throwing the servers out and replacing them. It is clear also from the other comments, that it doesn't make sense to throw out servers which are utilized in average 15% and have them replaced by new servers, which are 5 times faster and utilize the servers 3%... Great achievement hu?... Server Refresh makes therefore most sense to do only when consolidating the environment. How do I consolidate the environment? By using virtualization. See Helmuts blog and the whole theme next week on that topic.

 

Therefore let's look at the real cost factors, when refreshing the servers:

 

  • Cost of new hardware: That is obviously a significant capital expenditure and starting at about 2000$ for a reasonable DP server. But the trick is also that a lot of server companies offer financing models which make this an operational expenditure. But key is also to understand, that by consolidating your servers at the same time the depreciation costs of the servers may actually decrease, as you have less hardware to depreciate!

  • Maintenance costs: Again, reducing the number of servers running given applications, and at the same time unifying the environment helps significantly to reduce the maintenance costs. This can be a significant step in unifying on a given OS or hardware platform.

  • Power consumption: Similar to utilization, it doesn't make sense to just look at the power consumption by server, but at the consumption by performance and therefore I can save about 38% in power bills, on a given workload vs. the previous generation hardware and about a 10th of the power of hardware which is 2-3years old. Again, obviously only, if I do this in combination of consolidating the servers. Trick often is, that those costs are often not taken into consideration, as those are not billed to the IT department but to the facilities group. So it becomes an executive decision to ensure they are looked at!.

  • Switching costs. Obviously very hard to measure, as this depends on the environment of the customer. And I talked to the customer who said: "No I will never touch this AS400 system, as it just runs and runs and runs." On the other hand I had a customer who replaced just those AS400 systems and saw huge synergistic effects, because he put the application on a standard based architecture and was able to finally integrate it in the other production system and therefore have one reporting and analytics tool.

 

I try to make a long story short. This is not something you do very often, but you don't get married every year either. But most of the time it's worth going through the efforts. So thinking about replacing the servers which are older than 2-3years is definitely worth while and often an effort which pays off in the first year!

 

 

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Agility in the Datacenter

Posted by Helmut Ott Nov 19, 2007

Since this is the first time I'm blogging on this web site, let me briefly introduce myself. I'm working at Intel since 1984 and started right after University to develop software mainly for the Industrial Automation Industry (way back with good old iRMX for Multibus I/II). After a couple of years of running IT for several Intel sales Offices in EMEA, I'm now running a team of Technical PreSales people to work with End Customers in the Enterprise space.

 

When working with End Customers in the IT space, we often hear about the requirements of reducing costs but at the same time being more agile. Particularly in the Datacenter this is important to achieve, in order to quickly adapt to changing business requirement and thus swiftly enabling business opportunity through IT. On the way to get to real Business Agility through IT, Gartner has defined the Infrastructure Maturity Model**. This consists of 6 stages with the ultimate goal to deliver Business Agility in almost real time. Before a company can get there however, one important stage is to get to a virtualized infrastructure.

 

 

In the storage area we have seen quite some progress in this space which has been adopted already in a lot of medium and large companies. On the server side, I can see server virtualization being one of the hot topics, which almost every company is looking into or even deploying currently in order to achieve this datacenter agility at least in the infrastructure area.

 

 

In the past, people typically have used virtualization at large SMP machines to better utilize those; more recently virtualization was used to consolidate (mostly older) servers/application onto 4 way Intel Architecture based Servers to avoid a zoo of different machines and OS Revisions IT has to support. However from the cost efficiency perspective, it is also appropriate to consider using 2-way servers in virtualization too. When we discuss this with end customers, we sometimes got the concern that the ratio of Memory/CPU-Core is not good enough. While we have a great deal of Processor performance, particularly through the Quad Core Technology, which is available in Intel's XeonTM Processors since more than a year now, the memory capacity at the DP machines could not always live up to the desired ratio. Recently however there are some new DP Servers on the market (i.e. the Sun Microsystems x4150, http://www.sun.com), which implemented the full specification of the memory interface providing up to 64GB of Memory for Dual Processor Server hosting 8 Cores altogether. While I can hear you saying already that this would need the most expensive Memory Modules (4GB ones), I can tell you, that I was pleasantly surprised about an offer I got recently from one of our suppliers to get the full 64GB, for one of our lab servers, for less than 5900Euros (8400 US$, as you see I coming from Europe). 32GB of Memory would have been just below 2100 Euros (2940US$, 2GB Modules). Obviously prices may vary, but I just wanted to give a ball park figure what the costs are for a DP server containing 4-8GB/Core Memory. So with these types of systems you should be easily able to expand your 4-way system virtualization pool at much reduced cost.

 

 

But don't get me wrong here, I'm not promoting that the complete server virtualization pool in a DC should only consist of 2-way systems, I just wanted to point out that with the decrease of cost of the higher density Memory modules and the increase in the number of Memory slots in Dual Processor server space, you have a nice option to select that server type, that fits the best to your needs. If you have for instance applications that need a lot of aggregated CPU Performance or a lot of I/O Performance you sure would be better off using a 4-way server. But I'm sure there will be a blog soon covering the considerations of using 2-way or 4-way servers in the virtualization space.

 

 

If you agree in my train of thoughts, one thing must appear as obvious to you. Analysis of the computing resources used by your current applications and capacity planning to meet the need of your future business is the key to success for your virtualization strategy. And here we come back to the Gartner model. As IT you can only become a business value, if you understand the business needs of your company.

 

 

When speaking about agility you obviously have to have the possibility to easily migrate a Virtual Machine from a 2-way System to a 4 way system. With the recent introduction of the Intel XeonTM 7300 processor based 4 way servers this is possible too. Xeon 5100/5300 processors are sharing the same micro-architecture (Intel CoreTM Architecture) as the 4-way servers (Xeon 7300 Processor), which means you can live migrate VMs from DP to MP systems very easily. This live migration is offered in the various management suites from Virtualization Software vendors. In VMware's ESX (http://www.vmware.com/products/server_virtualization.html) this is called vMotion, at Virtual Iron (http://www.virtualiron.com/solutions/virtual_infrastructure_management.cfm) for instance it is called LiveMigrate.

 

 

So those of you, who carefully read Intel's announcement, might rightfully save that all the above is true but now Intel introduced the new Xeon 5200/5400 series using still the same Intel CoreTM Micro architecture, but with an extended instruction set, particularly for the SSE instructions. ...and you are right. If an application uses these new instructions you cannot do a live migrate of a VM from, say a Xeon 5400, back to a Xeon 5300 based system. But here the Intel Architecture offers some hooks (technologies) to still make this possible. For VMware for instance we have implemented a new functionality called VT Flex Migration. Since ESX has such a long experience in the Virtualization of Intel Architecture, it still uses Binary translation for 32 Bit OSs instead of Intel's VT-x (the hardware supported Virtualization). In VT-x Intel offers to mask some CPU functionality so that the OS/Application, when running in a virtualized environment, only sees a certain instruction set and thus can easily be live migrated from a Xeon 5400 to a Xeon 5300 Processor based system. So VMMs like for instance Virtual Iron or Xen (http://www.xensource.com/) may use this feature because they require VT-x. In order to enable the same functionality in ESX, Intel worked closely with VMware and implemented a hardware hook for VMware to allow even in Binary Translation (meaning outside VT-x) to mask certain capabilities (here SSE4) to be seen by the OS, hence making sure the OS uses only those instructions also available in Xeon 5100/5300/7300 Processors.

 

 

With this in mind you can setup a very powerful combination of 2-way and 4-way Intel Architecture servers being able to be shared in a virtualized Server pool and allowing live migration between them as the basis for a flexible and agile infrastructure. What you need on top of this now is the Management Software orchestrating the use of this server pool. Those are products like VMware's Infrastructure 3 or their Management and Automation tools such as Virtual Center. At Virtual Iron for instance this would be their Virtualization Manager. Those tools allow you to set rules and policies to automatically react on changes in the virtualization pool, such as a change of CPU load or memory requirements, to allow an automated move of VMs between the servers to still fulfill SLAs.

 

 

So I hope I was able to share my view of an agile infrastructure in the Datacenter, I realize that this is quite a hardware centric view of it, but after all I still work for Intel and server system oriented topics are the majority of my job.

 

 

I'm looking forward to hear your opinion or questions about it.

 

 

Best regards,

 

 

Helmut

 

 

 

 

 

*Other brands may be claimed as the property of others

 

 

**Source: Gartner, Inc. "Infrastructure Maturity Model," by Tom Bittman. Gartner Data Center Summit, 2006.

 

 

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As this is the first time posting here, here is a quick intro, I started out as a hardware designer for a UK computer company - back in the days when the PC was still a grey tin box with a 4.77MHz 8088 inside. I have been with Intel now for more years than I care to think about, with much of this time working with the OEMs and end-customers focused in the server market across EMEA.

 

As I trawl thru the press and listen to the industry analysts one topic that everyone is discussing is 'data centre efficiency' ( even elsewhere on this forum Intel IT Data Center Efficiency Initiative - Going Green, Data Center Efficiency ) but what's not real clear is what defines an efficient data centre - is it the efficiency of the servers, the cooling subsystems, the workload that can be handled in a given time or the operational processes that are in place to run the data centre ? And once you have decided what is considered 'efficient' how do you measure or quantify this efficiency.

 

Currently there are several approaches being considered by the industry to measure data centre efficiency, and I thought it would be worth spending some time looking at three elements that can affect DC efficiency - power, utilisation and process. Given the complexity of the topic I plan to take this in bite sized chunks ( rather than write a mass of text and lose the thread ). So, in this blog I will cover power and will come back to the topic in a subsequent posting to look to the other elements. If you think there are elements to DC efficiency that I am missing please feel free to chip in and provide your insights.

 

Power Efficiency - Measuring the ratio between the facilities load - cooling, power conversion etc vs. the IT load - compute/storage/infrastructure. Typically this approach focus's on the ratio of electrical power consumption of the various elements within the data centre. With the current focus on the 'environmental & green' aspects of data centres this seems to be the area where most of the attention on Data centre efficiency is focused.

 

If you look at the average Data Centre today its not just the compute infrastructure that consumes the Watts, power gets consumed by the cooling systems and air conditioners, voltage conversion & battery storage, lighting etc. All this contributes to the 'facilities load' - for many IT managers this does not hit their IT budget and they may not even see the power bill from the utility company so have no idea how much power is consumed by these key elements of their data centre. Current estimates indicate that upwards of 50% of the power that comes into the average data centre gets 'lost ' in the facilities load, more details here & here

 

There are several groups looking to quantify energy efficiency The Green Grid is working on metric called PUE ( Power Usage Effectiveness ) to measure the ratio of power consumed by the facilities load vs. the power available to the IT equipment in the data center - details in their white papers here. Also the Uptime Institute are doing something similar and various government institutions are getting interested as well and there's an extensive US govt white paper ( if you have a few hours spare to ingest its 150 pages) . In addition the European Union is working on a Data Centre Code of Conduct

 

The server OEMs are also working on a benchmark for measuring perf/watt ( http://www.spec.org/specpower/ ), these are great for measuring how good a server is on a test workload and how many transactions it can deliver for a given power input. With the increased focus on energy efficient performance this metric will become more and more important to the specifiers and purchasers of servers. With Intel's latest generation 45nm quad core Xeon processors we continue to drive up the performance a processor can achieve for a given Watt input, the challenge for the rest of the industry now is to lower the overall power consumption of the other elements within the server and to increase the throughput of the storage and I/O subsystems to complement the increase processor performance. But at the end of the day does a good perf/watt for a server indicate that a data centre is efficient ?

 

What's missing from this approach is that there is often no consideration made as to the utilisation of the servers within the data centre consequently it might be possible to achieve 'good' power efficiency numbers but have low server utilisation and hence not extracting the most workload out of the data centre. Here in EMEA we have initiated a Data Centre Efficiency Award to try and start to get a handle how best to identify DCs that are running best practices and delivering of power and utilisation efficiency.

 

I guess the question at the end of the day is do you consider that your Data Centre is efficient and how are you quantifying this efficiency ?

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Watt do you care about more?

the Power Consumption of your servers (watts) or the Power Efficiency of your servers (performance / watt)

... or maybe you prefer the Performance per Watt per SqFt argument

 

 

 

I have spent a lot of my time the last several years discussing this topic with IT professionals around the world - and there are a lot of varying opinions.

 

 

I believe that Performance per Watt is a better measure of overall value for the data center and server room.

The power consumed by a server is an important measure, but power only comparisons can be misleading.

 

 

Example: If server ‘A' consumes 50W less power than server ‘B', then it can save IT $79 per year per server in power and cooling costs (assumes $0.08 kW/hr power costs and cooling costs equal to power costs). Scale that $79 savings per server across a data center with thousands of servers and it can be a pretty impressive number.

 

 

However, if a server with 50W lower power delivers lower application performance ... is the power savings worth it? The answer of course depends ... but generally in my experience the answer is a resounding No.

 

 

Example: What if server A (the 50W lower power server) underperforms server B by 33% in performance. This means that you need to deploy more ‘A' Servers to get the same performance as ‘B' Servers. In fact, with a 33% performance advantage, you need only 3 ‘B' servers for every 4 ‘A' servers. The higher performance per Watt delivered by server B reduces acquisition costs, reduces power consumption (less servers) and minimizes space and eases manageability. This example is shown graphically above

 

 

What do you think? What power and performance metrics do you look at before purchasing servers

... Lower Power or Higher Performance per Watt?

 

 

 

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Intel Uncut: The engineers and architects explain how Intel got down to 45nm.





Moore's law has pushed the phyisical limits of the current materials. Intel has used Hafnium based materials allowing for smaller devices without gate leakage. As Kelin Kuhn says, the technology is getting nearly "incomprehensable". With 45nm technology we are working on a scale where 400 transistors can fit on the the size of a human bloodcell. Modern processors are allowing for 100's of millions of working transitors, and devices in the fab are being produced at 1/10th the wavelength of light ... truly amazing.

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Eco-Technology - what does this term mean and why would Intel use it instead of "Green Computing" or something more common?

 

Moore's Law gives us the ability to deliver more performance and greater energy efficiency with each generation of microprocessors - and reducing the energy consumption of our products is far and away the biggest impact Intel can have on carbon footprint.

 

We recently completed an analysis of a high-performance computing configuration that was originally deployed in 2002 (coming in at number 17 in the Top500 Supercomputer list for that year) and is still in use today. This configuration consists of 512 servers fit out into 25 racks using 128 kW and delivers 3.68 TFlops peak on the LINPACK benchmark. Today, that cluster could be replaced with a single rack of roughly 53 blade servers drawing 21 kW and still giving us that 3.7 TFlops of performance (Energy efficiency in the data center). More on whether that level of density is appropriate for everyone later.....

 

 

Think of the incredible increase in productivity - and new innovations - that have been made possible by this phenomenal growth in compute capacity. The explosion of information that's available at our fingertips and the evolution of many aspects of our global economy to bits instead of physical materials.

 

 

And that's really the point of "Eco-Technology" which is defined as an "eco-sensitive" approach to technology that takes into consideration sustainability in both manufacture and end-use of technology.

 

 

So we're increasing both the energy efficiency of our products and we're eliminating potentially harmful materials such as lead and halogen from our manufacturing, but we're also as an industry continuing to contribute to productivity and transformation. Both are important.

 

As companies explore their IT Sustainability programs and we all work to define what green computing should mean, what are your thoughts on how to balance the imperative to do more work, deliver more business value with the rising costs of energy and our collective desire to slow climate change? The US Environmental Protection Agency is contemplating Energy Star for servers. If you were in charge, what criteria would you use to award the label?

 

 

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Leading up to the launch of our 45nm processors I was often asked "what does this technology mean to my business?" or "what does it mean to me as a consumer?" My usual responses of improved performance, better performance/watt and better price/performance were all very true. But as I write this I am challenged to find more depth to that response. The solutions that you, the technology industry, collectively deliver include software, hardware and luckily for Intel processors that are now based on 45nm technology. We are on a line that is sloping up and to the right with respect to being able to deliver more performance over time. But so what? How can we look at single points on that line and reflect on their significance?

 

There are a number of examples where things start our revolutionary and simply evolve from there; flying, combustion engine automobile travel, the Internet, One day you walked/wagon/horse from place to place the next day you drove. One day you drove, the next day you flew. One day you wrote a letter, the next day an email. All of these had some groundwork that lead up to them for sure, but the new normal existed the day they became ubiquitous. Writing letters, putting a stamp on it and dropping it in a mailbox is now a lost art that we teach kids while we also explain to them what cassette tapes, rabbit ears and wired Ethernet are.

 

When was there enough performance, with low enough power and at a low enough price point for me to buy a handheld global positioning sensor unit that I can use to go geocaching with my kids? Clearly it wasn't ten years ago since I suspect the device may have existed for the military but wasn't quite portable enough for me or at a low enough price point to catch my eye. I am sure everyone can remember the first cell phones which looked like a car battery with a phone stuck on top. There are countless examples of points on a price/perf/power curve that lead to evolutionary or revolutionary products that change the way people live, work or play.

 

These new 45nm components are compelling and surely enterprise customers are going to find that they can run databases faster, develop software quicker and process transactions faster. Financial services companies will use these new products to execute faster trades. That in turn will allow them to win share against their competitors who are slower and it will reflect on their bottom line. Oil and gas companies will use these new products to more efficiently search for, locate and model the size of energy reserves. Search companies will use these products to ranks pages, target online consumers and drive advertising based commerce. Those things are evolutionary and allow companies to improve what they are already doing.

 

What are the revolutionary things that we will look back on and say "without the price/perf/watt that 45nm processors delivered in November 2007 xxx would not be possible?" Are you working on it? The technologies we develop are constantly looking to improve the present while also keeping an eye on the future. They are optimized for you, the developers and consumers, because quite frankly we are fascinated with what you are doing today and very interested in what you are going to do tomorrow with all of the high performing low power products that we are launching this month.

 

One last thing, if you're working on the next Google like revolutionary online platform drop me a note. I might want to alter my investment strategy J

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